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stimpy Dec 18, 2018 10:08 am

Email: A Note About our Transition into One Program
 
I got this email...

Dear Stimpy,

2018 has been a year of change for us here at Marriott and for our members. In August we combined our three loyalty programs: Marriott Rewards®, The Ritz-Carlton Rewards® and SPG®, giving you access to more hotels, benefits and status than ever before. While merging our programs brought you many new benefits and options, we know that for some, the integration presented challenges, and we apologize for these difficulties.

As we move toward the end of this year, I wanted to take a moment to reiterate that our goal is always to provide you with memorable travel experiences and to make you feel like a valued part of the Marriott family. With that in mind, I want to personally thank you for your ongoing support, patience and loyalty during a challenging year.

You’ll be hearing more from us next year when we introduce our new brand name, representing the most rewarding loyalty program in hospitality. I want to wish you a happy and healthy holiday season, and we look forward to welcoming you at our 29 extraordinary hotel brands around the world in the new year and for many years to come.

Best,
David Flueck
SVP, Global Loyalty


Pretty vanilla. But is it correct that they are down to 29 brands now? What did they cut?

secretalcoholic Dec 18, 2018 10:15 am

I assume its the Bvlgari Hotels & Resorts brand since it was never mentioned at the bottom of 29 Ways to Stay but its still listed on their Hotel Brands section. (These properties don't participate in the program)

UKTraveller4Fun Dec 18, 2018 10:18 am

I got the email to, frankly been better not sending anything rather than this excuse of an apology! I also feel the use of personally is completely out of context when its an email sent to in the hundreds of millions of people!

Just makes me think they really out a far way removed from the real world and what their members actually think and want!

christianj Dec 18, 2018 10:18 am

I got it too but not sure why they would waste our time sending out an email like that without addressing the elephant in the room when it comes to program integration. Email makes it seem like all is well and has been but issues are continuing.

craigthemif Dec 18, 2018 10:19 am

Another missed opportunity to do more than just offer a minimal apology...

X-ON Dec 18, 2018 10:21 am

and I that was expecting a fax ...

bhrubin Dec 18, 2018 10:32 am

Some of the comments herein (but not the OP) are evidence to me that some people will find any excuse to complain. Even about a simple email.

It’s a mass generated email. It wishes everyone a happy holiday season. It also acknowledges that there were mistakes with the integration and offers an apology for those mistakes. It could have just wished everyone a happy holiday season and ignored the mistakes—but it didn’t. And yet there are complaints about this holiday email?

Really? Piling on, perhaps?

I’m sorry, but some of these comments to me are the very definition of “noise on the fringe” to which Sorenson referred in the Q3 earnings call.

EDIT: To answer the OP, I also think it’s the Bulgari brand being “dropped” from the 30 brands connotation since it doesn’t participate in the Loyalty Program.

C17PSGR Dec 18, 2018 10:40 am


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 30549292)

It’s a mass generated email. It wishes everyone a happy holiday season. It also acknowledges that there were mistakes with the integration and offers an apology for those mistakes. It could have just wished everyone a happy holiday season and ignored the mistakes—but it didn’t. And yet there are complaints about this holiday email?

Have I mentioned that I got the same email ... they didn't give different emails depending on status :):)

Seems to me its perfectly appropriate for an end of year email and appreciate that he realizes it required patience and had challenges.

Eastbay1K Dec 18, 2018 10:42 am

30 seconds of my life I'll never be able to get back (+ add another 30 for this reply ;) )

kaizen7 Dec 18, 2018 11:03 am


Originally Posted by secretalcoholic (Post 30549214)
I assume its the Bvlgari Hotels & Resorts brand since it was never mentioned at the bottom of 29 Ways to Stay but its still listed on their Hotel Brands section. (These properties don't participate in the program)

They should remove The Ritz Carlton Reserve properties as well since they not participate in the program.
FTers would be up to date about those non participation of RC Reserves (and RC Singapore) but I bet plenty of members who are not really up to date with loyalty programmes will be confused about that.

Especially if RC Rewards promotional emails still promoting RC Reserves and RC Singapore

margarita girl Dec 18, 2018 11:19 am


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 30549181)
You’ll be hearing more from us next year when we introduce our new brand name, representing the most rewarding loyalty program in hospitality.

Ironic, since in my opinion, they killed the most rewarding loyalty program in hospitality. :(

kaizen7 Dec 18, 2018 11:23 am

Maybe by killing "The Most Rewarding Loyalty Program in Hospitality", MR mediocre program can become most rewarding one :D

bhrubin Dec 18, 2018 11:25 am


Originally Posted by kaizen7 (Post 30549421)
They should remove The Ritz Carlton Reserve properties as well since they not participate in the program.
FTers would be up to date about those non participation of RC Reserves (and RC Singapore) but I bet plenty of members who are not really up to date with loyalty programmes will be confused about that.

Especially if RC Rewards promotional emails still promoting RC Reserves and RC Singapore

RC Reserve isn’t listed as a separate brand for purposes of their 29 brands connotation. So while I agree it shouldn’t be included, it actually isn’t included. :p

Bulgari is a unique circumstance of a brand operated and distributed by Marriott but owned by Bulgari and not otherwise affiliated with Marriott by design. It’s an association of convenience.

Separating out Reserve from RC and separating out the Singapore RC just isn’t worth the time or trouble for Marriott. Nor do I blame them. Design Hitels don’t givee the same benefits, either, and there are slight benefit differences between the brands as we already know. If you can afford to stay at RC Reserve or RC Singapore, I doubt this is the pressing issue of the day. :D

JBord Dec 18, 2018 11:29 am


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 30549498)
Ironic, since in my opinion, they killed the most rewarding loyalty program in hospitality. :(

I'll agree with others that the email said very little. But it certainly shows how Marriott is in a no-win situation. For many of us, the biggest grip was they didn't communicate during the integration and resulting issues. Now they communicate, and it's going to get ripped just about as much.

Perhaps for anyone who is above Silver level, Arne should knock on your door during the holidays and hand-deliver a nice gift basket as a personal apology, even for those customers who've had an extremely smooth integration. Of course, the longest thread of 2019 would then be how Marriott was so rude to interrupt your holiday celebration.

Ultimately, this is a typical end of year email like many companies send out to their customers, with the addition of a small apology for the troubles this year. Standard "next year will be better" message that we all want going into a new year.

CCIE_Flyer Dec 18, 2018 11:34 am

Some people will be glad to see a public acknowledgement along with an apology. Others will wish that had come bundled with some free points or a certificate of some sort as a means of compensation for the frustration (extreme in some cases) they've endured.

I personally just think it was an opportunity missed - a corporate message such as this should've at least included something tangible, such as firming up a hard date for the new program or something along that line. I would've liked to have finished reading that e-mail knowing something I didn't know going in.

But let's at least recognize that he didn't dismiss anyone as "fringe," he didn't claim that all systems are now a go in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, and he did in fact apologize - something that many around here have called for repeatedly.

kaizen7 Dec 18, 2018 11:34 am

Actually they put RC Reserves separately from RC under Distinctive Luxury section along with Bvlgari, Luxury Collections, and ... interestingly W Hotels
(RC is under Classic Luxury)

And about Singapore RC, I guess the issue is RCR promoting the property through RC Rewards spam mails :D
Like I said, while we all know very well that they not participated, I got feeling some members who didnt realise that might get upset.
Some negative reviews of that property is complaining about the non participation :D

kaizen7 Dec 18, 2018 11:38 am


Originally Posted by CCIE_Flyer (Post 30549595)
Some people will be glad to see a public acknowledgement along with an apology. Others will wish that had come bundled with some free points or a certificate of some sort as a means of compensation for the frustration (extreme in some cases) they've endured.

I personally just think it was an opportunity missed - a corporate message such as this should've at least included something tangible, such as firming up a hard date for the new program or something along that line. I would've liked to have finished reading that e-mail knowing something I didn't know going in.

But let's at least recognize that he didn't dismiss anyone as "fringe," he didn't claim that all systems are now a go in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, and he did in fact apologize - something that many around here have called for repeatedly.

Personally, I doubt MR people is ready for setting everything in stone yet.
They have more pressing issues at this stage such as that IT messed up and data breach

I wont be surprised if the introduction of the new program delayed from the January 2019 target

bhrubin Dec 18, 2018 11:39 am


Originally Posted by kaizen7 (Post 30549599)
Actually they put RC Reserves separately from RC under Distinctive Luxury section along with Bvlgari, Luxury Collections, and ... interestingly W Hotels
(RC is under Classic Luxury)

And yet RCR isn’t listed as one of the 30 brands on the page link you shared. Let’s move on!


And about Singapore RC, I guess the issue is RCR promoting the property through RC Rewards spam mails :D
Like I said, while we all know very well that they not participated, I got feeling some members who didnt realise that might get upset.
Some negative reviews of that property is complaining about the non participation :D
As we see all too frequently, there are always going to be negative reviews. Some people are just negative. I doubt negative reviews about RCR or RC Singapore non-participation in the Loyalty Program have much impact. Just like negative reviews about Design Hotels not fully participating. Or RC/Edition not offering Plat breakfast and requiring PP status for the suite upgrade benefit. There’s always something. And there’s always someone to complain about it. :p

MSPeconomist Dec 18, 2018 11:40 am


Originally Posted by secretalcoholic (Post 30549214)
I assume its the Bvlgari Hotels & Resorts brand since it was never mentioned at the bottom of 29 Ways to Stay but its still listed on their Hotel Brands section. (These properties don't participate in the program)

If you click at the bottom of the email, it takes you to a Marriott page where the brands are listed at the bottom. No Bvlgari. I also noticed that the element brand name and icon are overlapping the border of the box, where all of the legacy Starwood brands are listed from high to low on the bottom line. The first two lines mix RC and Marriott, with two additional ones (moxy and something else) along on a third line in the middle of the box.

CCIE_Flyer Dec 18, 2018 11:40 am


Originally Posted by kaizen7 (Post 30549621)

I wont be surprised if the introduction of the new program delayed from the January 2019 target

You may very well be proven correct. Who knows - maybe the e-mail was sent in place of something they'd hoped to be announcing by now!

CLEguy Dec 18, 2018 11:50 am

I didn't get an email.

troyintn Dec 18, 2018 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by CCIE_Flyer (Post 30549595)
Some people will be glad to see a public acknowledgement along with an apology. Others will wish that had come bundled with some free points or a certificate of some sort as a means of compensation for the frustration (extreme in some cases) they've endured.

I personally just think it was an opportunity missed - a corporate message such as this should've at least included something tangible, such as firming up a hard date for the new program or something along that line. I would've liked to have finished reading that e-mail knowing something I didn't know going in.

But let's at least recognize that he didn't dismiss anyone as "fringe," he didn't claim that all systems are now a go in spite of clear evidence to the contrary, and he did in fact apologize - something that many around here have called for repeatedly.

It was your typical corporate email, honestly it did not say much and I would not expect it to. Now with that being said overall my complaint with Marriott is they now have done the worst loyalty program merger ever by far passing UA with CO, and still do not address it or I personally think do not have a plan in place. I am surprised Hilton and others have not been running a lot of promos and mentioning status challenges, but maybe they are waiting until the beginning of the year when people have more lee way to try.

MSPeconomist Dec 18, 2018 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by CLEguy (Post 30549672)
I didn't get an email.

Mine arrived 52 minutes after the OP posted about receiving his email.

bhrubin Dec 18, 2018 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by troyintn (Post 30549771)
...overall my complaint with Marriott is they now have done the worst loyalty program merger ever by far passing UA with CO. I am surprised Hilton and others have not been running a lot of promos and mentioning status challenges, but maybe they are waiting until the beginning of the year when people have more lee way to try.

Perhaps Hilton and others haven’t been running a lot of promos and status challenges because (1) Marriott’s integration isn’t the worst loyalty program merger ever, after all, and/or (2) anyone can get Hlilton’s highest tier Diamond status with a mere credit card, so why bother with a challenge?

EuropeanPete Dec 18, 2018 12:30 pm

...Anyone in the US :)

I thought the email was fine and it was a step forward for Marriott to acknowledge the problems rather than trying to blame it on their members. In an ideal world it would have been nice for some concrete expectation management about a time when Marriott intends to ensure the programme delivers its stated benefits, but I very much doubt such a date exists.

stimpy Dec 18, 2018 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 30549785)
Mine arrived 52 minutes after the OP posted about receiving his email.

And I posted it 15 minutes after receiving the email. If people care about such things. :)

Lizie Dec 18, 2018 12:41 pm

Looks to me like just another manipulative marketing email :?

PointWeasel Dec 18, 2018 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 30549903)
And I posted it 15 minutes after receiving the email. If people care about such things. :)

And I promptly deleted the email after skimming.

I will never get the hours I spent on the phone resolving issues back.

Two lumps of coal for the 'new and improved' Marriott this holiday season.

360guy Dec 18, 2018 1:20 pm

It would be nice if they would acknowledge your status.

GUWonder Dec 18, 2018 1:29 pm

Renaming the loyalty program is an indicator of further devaluations to come — and worse and more frequent devaluations than before, if I had to make a guess.

Delta and Hyatt are examples of just that.

notquiteaff Dec 18, 2018 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 30549292)
It also acknowledges that there were mistakes with the integration and offers an apology for those mistakes.

No, it doesn't. The word mistake or a true synonym doesn't appear in the message, as far as I can tell. What he wrote is: "we know that for some, the integration presented challenges, and we apologize for these difficulties."

It would have been nice to read "we have made mistakes that may have caused problems for you, and I apologize for that."

What they instead wrote sounds to me much like the classic non-apology apology we so often come across these days.

But hey, I get a free new passport if I can just prove to them that they were at fault. So yippee... all is forgiven... :)

bhrubin Dec 18, 2018 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by notquiteaff (Post 30550174)
No, it doesn't. The word mistake or a true synonym doesn't appear in the message, as far as I can tell. What he wrote is: "we know that for some, the integration presented challenges, and we apologize for these difficulties."

It would have been nice to read "we have made mistakes that may have caused problems for you, and I apologize for that."

What they instead wrote sounds to me much like the classic non-apology apology we so often come across these days.

But hey, I get a free new passport if I can just prove to them that they were at fault. So yippee... all is forgiven... :)

Like others have said, some people are never satisfied.

GUWonder Dec 18, 2018 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 30550184)


Like others have said, some people are never satisfied.

Indeed some people facing due criticism of a beloved corporate object are never satisfied that there is due criticism of poor corporate behavior.

Marriott has fallen short of reasonable customer expectations with regard to the integration-related program changes and Marriott. hasn’t shown much intent and capability to make things right very quickly and easily for the negatively-impacted customers, so of course such Marriott customers shouldn’t ever be satisfied unless and until Marriott does right by the many wronged customers.

cre95 Dec 18, 2018 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by 360guy (Post 30550080)
It would be nice if they would acknowledge your status.


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 30550184)
Like others have said, some people are never satisfied.

I can already see all the additional emails about folk who'll note that the status they were acknowledged by was not correct...
We have all seen the emails about people that their status is not right. Many have noted how they qualified by SPG stays for example but their status won't be updated until IT does its sweep in 2019...

I, for one, feel the email was fine. I agree there wasn't any new information but I spent a couple of minutes reading it and then moved on.

remymartin Dec 18, 2018 2:24 pm

I didn't get the e-mail, and I haven't had access to a facsimile machine in almost 20 years. What took the BBC minutes to report took MaRiot 12 days to get delivered to me. Maybe they've started scanning faxes to e-mail them one by one.

Eastbay1K Dec 18, 2018 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by Lizie (Post 30549918)
Looks to me like just another manipulative marketing email :?

I do not correlate "full of hot air" or "lacking in substance" with manipulative marketing. But then, what do I know.

Clap on, Clap off, clap on, clap off, your ch ch ch Chia.

Eastbay1K Dec 18, 2018 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by PointWeasel (Post 30550032)
Two lumps of coal for the 'new and improved' Marriott this holiday season.

Maybe these are the new mining jobs we've been hearing about.

notquiteaff Dec 18, 2018 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 30550184)
Like others have said, some people are never satisfied.

Some people just would prefer an honest non-corporate speak email instead of one authored/reviewed by a committee of lawyers and spin meisters.

And others would rather attack other members expressing their opinion about the message (the topic of this thread).

Newman Dec 18, 2018 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 30550210)

Indeed some people facing due criticism of a beloved corporate object are never satisfied that there is due criticism of poor corporate behavior.
Marriott has fallen short of reasonable customer expectations with regard to the integration-related program changes and Marriott. hasn’t shown much intent and capability to make things right very quickly and easily for the negatively-impacted customers, so of course such Marriott customers shouldn’t ever be satisfied unless and until Marriott does right by the many wronged customers.

I believe that you mean that Marriott has exceeded unreasonable customer expectations.
When I got my kitchen renovated recently, I dealt with the inconvenience, with the knowledge that once the dust clears (literally) I will have a sparkling brand new kitchen.The same logic applies here.
Marriott has done, and I suspect will continue to do, a yeoman's job in keeping its members up-to-date on all changes since the initial roll-out.


Originally Posted by notquiteaff (Post 30550392)
Some people just would prefer an honest non-corporate speak email instead of one authored/reviewed by a committee of lawyers and spin meisters.
And others would rather attack other members expressing their opinion about the message (the topic of this thread).

And many of us appreciate the good holiday wishes coming from the highest levels.
Sadly, some here won't stop their Marriott-bashing until they get Arne Sorenson's head on a silver platter. It's really kinda sad they sink so low as to attack a holiday greeting.

Newman

GUWonder Dec 18, 2018 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by Newman (Post 30550461)
I believe that you mean that Marriott has exceeded unreasonable customer expectations.
When I got my kitchen renovated recently, I dealt with the inconvenience, with the knowledge that once the dust clears (literally) I will have a sparkling brand new kitchen.The same logic applies here.
Marriott has done, and I suspect will continue to do, a yeoman's job in keeping its members up-to-date on all changes since the initial roll-out.



And many of us appreciate the good holiday wishes coming from the highest levels.
Sadly, some here won't stop their Marriott-bashing until they get Arne Sorenson's head on a silver platter. It's really kinda sad they sink so low as to attack a holiday greeting.

Newman

No; I meant that Marriott has fallen short of reasonable customer expectations with regard to the integration-related program changes; and that Marriott hasn’t shown much intent and capability to make things right very quickly and easily for the negatively-impacted customers. And so of course such Marriott customers shouldn’t ever be satisfied unless and until Marriott does right by the many wronged customers.

Arguments by analogy don’t generally make for a logically sound and valid argument, so I’ll take that kitchen renovation story and chalk it up to being just friendly banter.


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