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FlightNurse Mar 15, 2017 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 28040111)
This is misleading - actually there are two faces, not two sides to Capital One. And they are by no means the only double faced bank.:p

BTW, now that FICO is jacking their scores to loosen credit, best find a copy of The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine and grab your bag of popcorn. As we learned from the great recession, when bankers run out of creditworthy customers, they just lower their creditworthy standard.

I don't think what I posted was misleading, CapOne has two business models, sorry not using the correct lingo. Yes, other banks have this too, but the subject of this thread is CapOne.

Mancolt Mar 16, 2017 3:24 am


Originally Posted by FlightNurse (Post 28043151)
I don't think what I posted was misleading, CapOne has two business models, sorry not using the correct lingo. Yes, other banks have this too, but the subject of this thread is CapOne.

CapOne is part of the subject of this thread, but not the only one. I don't check this thread because it's CapOne related...I'm checking to see if any other cards are being shutdown (since I don't have any CapOne cards).

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 16, 2017 7:17 am

About 10k of MOs in one month. The tripwires vary by institution as they configure their analytic tools. Some institutions are more risk adverse than others.:cool:


Originally Posted by gw14 (Post 28042835)
What was your volume that got you flagged?


Travelz Mar 17, 2017 4:58 am


Originally Posted by FrankMS (Post 28042683)
True, but tellers are easily satisfied by our truthful answers, and once you have a few tellers on your side and you're on a first name basis with them, there's no going back to an ATM.


How do you explain what you are doing at the bank? I use the teller and ATM at 3 banks and cu.

lumangoy Mar 17, 2017 5:55 am


Originally Posted by Travelz (Post 28048366)
How do you explain what you are doing at the bank? I use the teller and ATM at 3 banks and cu.

If the bank is suspicious, they will call you if you do ATM deposits.

Back when I had the 6 mo 5% CC, I was doing ATM deposits at Key Bank. I was recycling my CL, so I was doing a push or pull immediately.

They called and asked what i was doing. A few weeks later, I got a letter about the shutdown!

Mamibear Mar 17, 2017 8:45 am


Originally Posted by Travelz (Post 28048366)
How do you explain what you are doing at the bank? I use the teller and ATM at 3 banks and cu.

IME it is not the tellers to worry about, all financial institutions have a Risk Management Group behind the scenes that CAN be alerted by one's account activity. I found this out from a CU where the tellers were really friendly but I got a call from the CU HQ asking me about my regular MO deposits (that time it was only $2.5K/week avg). I just told them I was paying my bills using their billpay service and if it wasn't acceptable to them, I'd stop depositing my MOs there. From then on, ffwd to 18 months I've been using this CU w/o issues for up to $20K a month deposits if my prepaids have all been maxed out.

bottomline here is the tellers cannot vouch for a customer once they get flagged by the RMG of a financial institution.

Travelz Mar 17, 2017 8:51 am


Originally Posted by Mamibear (Post 28049108)
IME it is not the tellers to worry about, all financial institutions have a Risk Management Group behind the scenes that CAN be alerted by one's account activity. I found this out from a CU where the tellers were really friendly but I got a call from the CU HQ asking me about my regular MO deposits (that time it was only $2.5K/week avg). I just told them I was paying my bills using their billpay service and if it wasn't acceptable to them, I'd stop depositing my MOs there. From then on, ffwd to 18 months I've been using this CU w/o issues for up to $20K a month deposits if my prepaids have all been maxed out.

bottomline here is the tellers cannot vouch for a customer once they get flagged by the RMG of a financial institution.

Thanks, I haven't tried for any new prepaids since Serve and BB.

ntr91 Mar 17, 2017 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by AlohaDaveKennedy (Post 28042720)
Remember Wachovia Bank (busted for running a Mexican Laundry) with their slogan - "Wachovia. Uncommon Wisdom" or their acquisition, SouthTrust, with the slogan "You're Not Just Another Customer. We're Not Just Another Bank?" All the analytics in the world cannot save the banks from their own greed.:eek:

Don't forget, Wachovia was acquired by Wells Fargo, and we all know how that ended up...

eclipsor Mar 17, 2017 11:21 pm


Originally Posted by Mamibear (Post 28049108)
IME it is not the tellers to worry about, all financial institutions have a Risk Management Group behind the scenes that CAN be alerted by one's account activity. I found this out from a CU where the tellers were really friendly but I got a call from the CU HQ asking me about my regular MO deposits (that time it was only $2.5K/week avg). I just told them I was paying my bills using their billpay service and if it wasn't acceptable to them, I'd stop depositing my MOs there. From then on, ffwd to 18 months I've been using this CU w/o issues for up to $20K a month deposits if my prepaids have all been maxed out.

bottomline here is the tellers cannot vouch for a customer once they get flagged by the RMG of a financial institution.

As a teller at a CU, I can vouch for this. It's mostly risk management that is monitoring accounts and looking for suspicious activity rather than us going out of our way to detect and report it. We constantly get emails from HQ asking if we know why a member is taking out a lot of cash all the sudden or whenever someone is doing something unusual, etc.

FrankMS Mar 18, 2017 5:25 am


Originally Posted by Travelz (Post 28048366)
How do you explain what you are doing at the bank? I use the teller and ATM at 3 banks and cu.

With each institution I've used, as soon as I ramped up any volume I've been questioned by curious tellers and called by risk management. I'm honest with all of them and my answers, up to now, have satisfied everyone.

Obviously that doesn't work for everyone, this thread proves that.

Mamibear Mar 18, 2017 6:52 am


Originally Posted by eclipsor (Post 28052001)
As a teller at a CU, I can vouch for this. It's mostly risk management that is monitoring accounts and looking for suspicious activity rather than us going out of our way to detect and report it. We constantly get emails from HQ asking if we know why a member is taking out a lot of cash all the sudden or whenever someone is doing something unusual, etc.

regarding that CU whose RMG called me, the next time I went to the CU, I asked the friendly BM about the call from HQ and she said I've been cleared. I refreshed her memory the time I opened the account and told her what I'd be doing so she knew I was going to pay a lot of bills with my deposits and she said that was fine. She assured me that my account was in good standing after she discussed it with RMG and so far, it's been uneventful since then. This is the only FI that questioned me about my MOs, the other local banks I've used longer have not said anything to me.

AlohaDaveKennedy Mar 18, 2017 11:12 am

Its all YMMV in this game.:cool:


Originally Posted by Mamibear (Post 28052768)
regarding that CU whose RMG called me, the next time I went to the CU, I asked the friendly BM about the call from HQ and she said I've been cleared. I refreshed her memory the time I opened the account and told her what I'd be doing so she knew I was going to pay a lot of bills with my deposits and she said that was fine. She assured me that my account was in good standing after she discussed it with RMG and so far, it's been uneventful since then. This is the only FI that questioned me about my MOs, the other local banks I've used longer have not said anything to me.


dethkultur Mar 18, 2017 4:20 pm

After a solid year (a good one) just got a closing-in-30-days letter from UFB, dated 3/15.

andyandy Mar 19, 2017 8:04 am


Originally Posted by Travelz (Post 28048366)
How do you explain what you are doing at the bank? I use the teller and ATM at 3 banks and cu.

All my volume goes to one branch of one bank and has for years. My explanation: "I'm doing this to earn credit card points and miles." Has always worked for me. Why? Because it's true. And I do all my other banking with them.

Andyandy

Travelz Mar 19, 2017 8:28 am

Sounds like no one is giving the full story, just part of it to a bank or whoever. I say "It is a way to earn miles while paying bills". I don't give details of how it works. Bill pay is the greatest invention, but will probably get me shut down.

When you get shutdown, do you get a bad mark on your credit report? I suppose it depends on the bank. It sounds like after a while you can get credit from that bank again usually.


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