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Old Jan 5, 2017, 4:03 am
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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


5/21/2019 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

There are three version of Serve cards, Blue, Green and Grey. The fees and specifics are listed here:
https://www.serve.com/help/?intlink=us-serve-marketing-home-customer2-incomm2018-freezecardlearnmore&anchor=lost-or-stolen-1

The best Serve version for MS purpose is the "Green" version. It can be loaded at CVS, Rite Aid, DG (cash only) and Walmart, FD stores (cash and debit). There is no loading fee, but there is a $6.95 monthly fee that can't be waived. You could avoid the monthly fee by keeping $0 balance prior to month end statement closing. But this may cause account shut-down. As of end of 2020, there have been changes at the loading side (FD, WM). Not all GCs are accepted. Trial and report back to forum.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Appears to no longer be working with any brand of VCG.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7



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Old Aug 14, 2022, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by ericliujian
DG is working again? I thought they changed the system long time ago?
DG has been working for me.
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Old Aug 15, 2022, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by ericliujian
DG is working again? I thought they changed the system long time ago?
DG is far more reliable for me than FD.
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Old Sep 12, 2022, 7:01 am
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Hey everyone, new DP to share that may be known. I have deposoted $5k in September and am told "inactive amount" when I try to add more. It's a little unclear on the Serve FAQ's, but I understood the limit was $10k per month. Any ideas?

ETA: just fond $5k monthly cash limit.

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Old Sep 26, 2022, 9:53 am
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Is ATM withdrawn with a temporary Serve card possible? How can you set the PIN with a temp card?
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Old Sep 26, 2022, 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by IAD_flyer
Is ATM withdrawn with a temporary Serve card possible? How can you set the PIN with a temp card?
From website, with my bolding. so basic answer is no.

Here is what you can and can't do with a temporary card.

What are the benefits of registering my temporary Serve card?

Registering your temporary Serve card at serve.com and, if you have a Serve® American Express® Reloadable Prepaid Card then activating the personalized Serve card you receive in the mail, gives you access to the full features and benefits of the Serve account, including:

Add money. See Money In FAQs for information about how to add money to your Serve card.
Sign up for Direct Deposit to get access to your money up to 2 days faster with free early Direct Deposit1
Use your Serve card for ATM withdrawals
For Serve® American Express® Prepaid Debit Accounts, you can withdraw cash for free at over 30,000 MoneyPass® ATMs, or from other ATMs nationwide for a fee.2
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Old Sep 27, 2022, 9:40 am
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Looks like my go to FD is dead. For at least a month now they have not been doing any reloads and any tap and pay form of payment. The sign outside the store says it is because of "system error" while one of the cashier admitted they were scammed and FD is looking into it. It can't be this long to "look" into fraud transaction.

I think its more of a store decision and I am thinking to reach out to corporate or regional manager to inquire about it. Anyone have come across this and how to proceed?

I have talked to store manager who knows me but they are adamant about system error. I could wait it out few more weeks but was wondering if anyone on the sub has ever reached out to district/regional manager in such cases?
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Old Sep 27, 2022, 11:07 am
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My goodness NO. Do not inquire. Leave them alone. Just go to another FD.
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Old Sep 27, 2022, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by dwatcher
Anyone have come across this and how to proceed?
I have talked to store manager who knows me but they are adamant about system error. I could wait it out few more weeks but was wondering if anyone on the sub has ever reached out to district/regional manager in such cases?
I would advocate against that, just move on to the next closest FD. Bringing it to the district manager's attention might just make that person shut down the whole district.
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Old Oct 15, 2022, 3:22 pm
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What is per load limit at DG or FD? TIA
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Old Oct 20, 2022, 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by I Fly Delta Jets
What is per load limit at DG or FD? TIA
5k per month per account, i think $500 per location at a time. But I often load $400, drive a mile and load another $400
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Old Oct 20, 2022, 6:44 am
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Had an interesting situation at a usually reliable FD yesteray. I asked for $400 load, no problem - swiped one card, partial payment, then the cashier said "oh no, we are supposed to do only cash, I'm going to get in trouble". She let me proceed but said they can't take cards anymore, I asked why - she said "fraud". I'll probably just lay off this location for a while; but it got me thinking - are the employees really getting in trouble? I have a bit of an ethical dilemma as I hate to put these min wage employees in a bad spot.

Also, who is the loser in the situation? Staples for eating the fee? I assume the retailer who is loading the Serve and paying the Amex transaction fee? Obviously serve is missing out, because I'm not actually swiping the card later for pay; but they are just missing lost revenue, right?
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Old Oct 20, 2022, 7:42 am
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When it says 10K max per month, does it mean you can have two serve cards? For example, card #1 with email 1 + user name 1 and card #2 with email 2 + username 2?
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Old Oct 20, 2022, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by cidcock
Had an interesting situation at a usually reliable FD yesteray. I asked for $400 load, no problem - swiped one card, partial payment, then the cashier said "oh no, we are supposed to do only cash, I'm going to get in trouble". She let me proceed but said they can't take cards anymore, I asked why - she said "fraud". I'll probably just lay off this location for a while; but it got me thinking - are the employees really getting in trouble? I have a bit of an ethical dilemma as I hate to put these min wage employees in a bad spot.

Also, who is the loser in the situation? Staples for eating the fee? I assume the retailer who is loading the Serve and paying the Amex transaction fee? Obviously serve is missing out, because I'm not actually swiping the card later for pay; but they are just missing lost revenue, right?
I forgot that FD has limits. Loaded $400 successfully on one card. And then tried $200 on my other serve. That got declined.
Went to store next day to load when same cashier told me I can’t do that anymore. She told me yesterday her manager called from home that he received an alert when it was declined. Cash only there now.
I’ll wait a few more months before I try again. Too bad as that was my closest store with the other one a few blocks away.
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Old Oct 23, 2022, 1:49 pm
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saw a new debit not available code yesterday while loading at my friendly WM. It was F9 code

Never saw that before, but that came up when I was doing back to back loading of Serve card - maybe there is some velocity limit. It came up on second time loading.
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Old Oct 24, 2022, 12:02 pm
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3 of my local FDs have been moving to cash only in the last month or so. Manager Last one I went to today said cash-only at FDs nationwide. I'm guessing district manager has been caught by too many scams. Might have to try DG again, although my local DGs went cash-only a while back and I haven't tried in a couple of years.
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