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Old Jan 5, 2017, 4:03 am
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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


5/21/2019 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

There are three version of Serve cards, Blue, Green and Grey. The fees and specifics are listed here:
https://www.serve.com/help/?intlink=us-serve-marketing-home-customer2-incomm2018-freezecardlearnmore&anchor=lost-or-stolen-1

The best Serve version for MS purpose is the "Green" version. It can be loaded at CVS, Rite Aid, DG (cash only) and Walmart, FD stores (cash and debit). There is no loading fee, but there is a $6.95 monthly fee that can't be waived. You could avoid the monthly fee by keeping $0 balance prior to month end statement closing. But this may cause account shut-down. As of end of 2020, there have been changes at the loading side (FD, WM). Not all GCs are accepted. Trial and report back to forum.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Appears to no longer be working with any brand of VCG.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7



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Old Jul 11, 2018, 11:54 pm
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Originally Posted by gregorius
American Express Bank FSB imposed that restriction on cards they've issued (SPG, Delta, the charge cards, etc). They're not the only bank to issue cards that run on the AmEx network.
Originally Posted by RedSun
Some 3rd party AmEx CCs earn reward points loading with Serve. Certain card, like AmEx Delta, earns bonus points with spending. I'm not sure if AmEx Delta CC counts this as spending.
thank you both for the clarification! not sure which 3rd party amex cc you are referring to but since i only have SPG and delta its safe to assume i wont be getting any points / miles for putting $200 a day / $1000 a month through my serve.

i will go buy a gc and attempt to load onto my serve at a walmart in bay area then. if anyone knows walmarts in SF that are friendly, i'd appreciate a PM.
so metabank issues visa gift cards should be safe at walmart then? gonna go check out local simon mall soon to see if they have metabank issued cards.
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Old Jul 19, 2018, 11:01 am
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update. able to load simon mall metabank VISA gift card to my serve. withdrew the money via cash. thanks for all the inputs.

sorry for rookie question, but how much fees are charged if i try to swipe 3 VGC compared to 1? is it still 3.74 each load regardless of the amount of 3.74 each swipe. i didn't realize the 3.74 cost to load plus the 3.95 cost to purchase the VGC so obviously the MS cost is on the high side for now (1.538%) . if its a flat 3.74 each time i load 1500 (3 swipes), then the cost gets down to 1.04% which is reasonable
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Old Jul 19, 2018, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by homeone
update. able to load simon mall metabank VISA gift card to my serve. withdrew the money via cash. thanks for all the inputs.

sorry for rookie question, but how much fees are charged if i try to swipe 3 VGC compared to 1? is it still 3.74 each load regardless of the amount of 3.74 each swipe. i didn't realize the 3.74 cost to load plus the 3.95 cost to purchase the VGC so obviously the MS cost is on the high side for now (1.538%) . if its a flat 3.74 each time i load 1500 (3 swipes), then the cost gets down to 1.04% which is reasonable
Wrong serve, get the green one for free reloads. $3.74 per transaction though, multiple swipes in the same transaction would only be $3.74.

Don't cash out, transfer to hub bank first.
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Old Jul 20, 2018, 12:02 am
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Originally Posted by gregorius
American Express Bank FSB imposed that restriction on cards they've issued (SPG, Delta, the charge cards, etc). They're not the only bank to issue cards that run on the AmEx network.
Originally Posted by RedSun
Some 3rd party AmEx CCs earn reward points loading with Serve. Certain card, like AmEx Delta, earns bonus points with spending. I'm not sure if AmEx Delta CC counts this as spending.
Originally Posted by asot550
Wrong serve, get the green one for free reloads. $3.74 per transaction though, multiple swipes in the same transaction would only be $3.74.

Don't cash out, transfer to hub bank first.
yea i know about the green one for free reloads but too late for that as i applied for regular blue one. one fee of 3.74 for same transaction up to 3 swipes is good enough for me. not trying to do huge amounts since i can only do 5k a month anyways. just need to do enough to get new cardmember bonuses time to time.

btw, what do u mean by hub bank? withdrawing directly to my linked bank account? is that safer than withdrawing the cash via atm? i read that bill pay is also not safe? might get my account shut down? i plan on doing a mixture of all 3 just to be safe if that makes sense to yall. thanks!
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Old Jul 20, 2018, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by homeone
yea i know about the green one for free reloads but too late for that as i applied for regular blue one. one fee of 3.74 for same transaction up to 3 swipes is good enough for me. not trying to do huge amounts since i can only do 5k a month anyways. just need to do enough to get new cardmember bonuses time to time.

btw, what do u mean by hub bank? withdrawing directly to my linked bank account? is that safer than withdrawing the cash via atm? i read that bill pay is also not safe? might get my account shut down? i plan on doing a mixture of all 3 just to be safe if that makes sense to yall. thanks!
Just cancel the blue serve and get a new green one. You should be cycling them anyway for minimizing chance of shut down. You can have 5 serve accounts at a time (also 5 bb).

Bill pay is not safe since you'll be cycling serves. cc issuers don't like seeing payments from lots of different sources which is why you use a single bank account as your hub which all money goes into first before it goes out to bills/cc issuers. Don't use your main bank account as a hub and don't mix issuers/hub account. ie: don't make chase your hub bank and also have chase cards.
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Old Jul 20, 2018, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by asot550
Bill pay is not safe since you'll be cycling serves. cc issuers don't like seeing payments from lots of different sources which is why you use a single bank account as your hub which all money goes into first before it goes out to bills/cc issuers. Don't use your main bank account as a hub and don't mix issuers/hub account. ie: don't make chase your hub bank and also have chase cards.
Not sure if this is true. There have not been clear patterns from the previous Serve/BB shutdowns.

In terms of funding, the order is direct deposit, check deposit, bank cash transfer, cash and debit (GC) deposit, and the last (risky), credit card funding. For the spending, the order is store shopping, online shopping, bill pay, and the last/risky withdrawals back to bank.

Bill pay is the main source for spending from Serve. I would not use Serve/BB to pay any AmEx credit card. But I do not think Chase cares where the CC payments come from.

The main concerns I see is the constant spending each month from the same merchant, like $10,000 to $25,000 each month from GC/SM. Some CC banks do not like it. The large amount of MO deposit is even a bigger problem. That is cash transaction.
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Old Jul 21, 2018, 11:55 am
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I have been unable to load via US Bank VGC online for a week or so.

Serve and Bluebird say my cards are fine and my bank debit card loads.

Is anyone aware of any issues or had any issues loading online?
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Old Jul 21, 2018, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by jnjustice94
I have been unable to load via US Bank VGC online for a week or so.

Serve and Bluebird say my cards are fine and my bank debit card loads.

Is anyone aware of any issues or had any issues loading online?
What versions of Serve and BB cards you get?
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Old Jul 21, 2018, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by RedSun
What versions of Serve and BB cards you get?
The Bluebird is just the Bluebird and the Serve is the OneVIP.
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Old Jul 22, 2018, 1:21 pm
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Old Jul 23, 2018, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by asot550
Just cancel the blue serve and get a new green one. You should be cycling them anyway for minimizing chance of shut down. You can have 5 serve accounts at a time (also 5 bb).

Bill pay is not safe since you'll be cycling serves. cc issuers don't like seeing payments from lots of different sources which is why you use a single bank account as your hub which all money goes into first before it goes out to bills/cc issuers. Don't use your main bank account as a hub and don't mix issuers/hub account. ie: don't make chase your hub bank and also have chase cards.
Good advice. If you're not using Serve for BP, how are you getting your money out of Serve?
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Old Jul 23, 2018, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by FrankMS
Good advice. If you're not using Serve for BP, how are you getting your money out of Serve?
Transfer to hub bank.
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 10:57 am
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I have Old Bluebird card,
(1) Which VGC (4x$500/ month) is loadable at WMT without any issues (US bank, Metabank,....?)
(2) Billpay $1800 (rent) every month, any issues? (I have been loading $1800 cash last few months to billpay rent)
(I was heavy MSer back in a day, now the 'underbanked')
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Old Jul 30, 2018, 7:20 am
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Noob here so please go easy on me. After reading the wiki and the comments, here is what i understood.
Here is my plan:
1. Get the green AMEX serve
2. Buy VGC from GCM.com
3. Go to walmart and unload the VGC on serve.

Does this sound correct, if not please correct me.
Thanks for the help.
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Old Jul 30, 2018, 2:09 pm
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Today my smgc was rejected at a nova wm, CSR didnt tell me the error but if theres nothing wrong with the card or the bb could it be a hardcode
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