Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 25546728)
The japchae photo is from PH's Korean set. Four Season's barely came with any side dishes.
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Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo
(Post 25546733)
Well, PH's Korean set does look very nice!
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Usually FS GMs are on top of things, and clearly this was not the case here. Thank you for the many details in your report, very interesting indeed. Shame that you weren't be able to enjoy as much as you should have and that things went south very quickly. Hopefully they'll get it right, but judging by your report I will really wait another year at minimum before I stay. What about the staff members you encountered? You mentioned many came from Hilton/PH/..., did they bring in a task force from other FS to teach them how to do things, did new members of the team already have the FS touch?
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Originally Posted by scented
(Post 25547306)
Usually FS GMs are on top of things, and clearly this was not the case here. Thank you for the many details in your report, very interesting indeed. Shame that you weren't be able to enjoy as much as you should have and that things went south very quickly. Hopefully they'll get it right, but judging by your report I will really wait another year at minimum before I stay. What about the staff members you encountered? You mentioned many came from Hilton/PH/..., did they bring in a task force from other FS to teach them how to do things, did new members of the team already have the FS touch?
What got me was the obtrusion that we encountered from the hostess at Boccalino telling us that the restaurant was busy and closed for the night. The spa only offering two body treatment choices when they have a massive menu (only stone therapy was supposed to be unavailable according to the GM). Very pertinent examples of staff lacking the FS touch and knowledge of the Golden Rule. |
Excellent analysis, here's hoping that the GM will read this and implement some needed changes. It sounds as if they opened way too early.
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Originally Posted by scented
(Post 25547466)
Excellent analysis, here's hoping that the GM will read this and implement some needed changes. It sounds as if they opened way too early.
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Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 25547472)
They wanted to open right after Korean Thanksgiving and I think that was a mistake.
I guess the owners are just so anxious to get revenue coming in that they figure they can overcome some bad guest experiences. |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 25548412)
That's a shame, but it's certainly not the first FS that opened too early. After my experience at the FS London back when they re-opened I would never consider staying at an FS that didn't have at least 9 months of experience.
I guess the owners are just so anxious to get revenue coming in that they figure they can overcome some bad guest experiences. |
After Amanoi, I've learned not to visit a soft-opening hotel. While, ideally, your stay would have been much better, I'm not surprised there are teething issues.
I'd be willing to bet within 9 - 12 months all will be well. |
Originally Posted by aa213bb
(Post 25549763)
After Amanoi, I've learned not to visit a soft-opening hotel. While, ideally, your stay would have been much better, I'm not surprised there are teething issues.
I'd be willing to bet within 9 - 12 months all will be well. Normal Koreans folks loved it but not us from the Elegant Hotel forum here on FT. |
The Boccalino chef, Loris Pistillo is former GH Erawan and Roppongi Club in Tokyo. I don't know if that's a good resume or not.
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Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 25550758)
The Boccalino chef, Loris Pistillo is former GH Erawan and Roppongi Club in Tokyo. I don't know if that's a good resume or not.
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Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo
(Post 25550835)
A good resume I would say. GH Erawan has excellent F&B, as does GHT for the most part (although China Room and French Kitchen are not good). Roppongi Hills Club is under GHT management.
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Originally Posted by MikeFromTokyo
(Post 25550835)
A good resume I would say. GH Erawan has excellent F&B, as does GHT for the most part (although China Room and French Kitchen are not good). Roppongi Hills Club is under GHT management.
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Originally Posted by Aventine
(Post 25551212)
His food was so-so Friday night when it should probably be at its finest. Will reserve final judgment for another time.
I have hated hotels on my first stay, but after excellent service recovery ended up a very loyal and satisfied guest. In this case your first stay was abysmal, but in such a case I would give them one more chance in about a year before completely writing off the hotel. It's important to give the hotel the opportunity to recover. Especially since the issues you experienced, while unforgivable for a Four Seasons, can be attributed to a premature opening and insufficient employee training. |
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