Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
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DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Aug 21, 2022, 9:05 am
#6931
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Arrived remote/bus stand (MAD-FRA) yesterday, connecting to FRA-IAD in F. First time for me that I've had a Porsche transfer FROM a flight (only FCT TO flight a couple of dozen times). Worked great. Perhaps 15 mins from plane to FCT; driver dropped off near baggage/exit and short walk to FCT. 
Aug 21, 2022, 10:27 am
#6932
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Arrived remote/bus stand (MAD-FRA) yesterday, connecting to FRA-IAD in F. First time for me that I've had a Porsche transfer FROM a flight (only FCT TO flight a couple of dozen times). Worked great. Perhaps 15 mins from plane to FCT; driver dropped off near baggage/exit and short walk to FCT.
Aug 22, 2022, 6:08 am
#6933
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Before the clean arrivals concept was hashed out (probably to get on the good side of TSA/DHS) moving between NS & S in B and A was easy peasy. Every border checkpoint had two sides...
Aug 22, 2022, 10:26 am
#6934
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Clean arrival into B, reverse immigration point in B & use the tunnel to A
Aug 24, 2022, 5:46 pm
#6935
Join Date: Jul 2012
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The sign in the picture above is located close to gate B23 in the non-Schengen B departure area. Note how all terminals, the Schengen B-gates, bag reclaim, and exit (and although not shown on this sign, some lounges, restaurants, and services as well) are in the same direction: up the stairs/escalator. That's because the departure level has no entry immigration ("reverse immigration"); there is only an exit border control. The B-concourse entry immigration facility is situated in the non-clean area of the upper level, as the number of clean non-Schengen arriving passengers in B with the intention to immigrate is way too low to warrant a clean entry immigration facility (unlike Z, which does have the passenger volume to justify).
So to immigrate from non-Schengen B departures, you'd follow this sign which takes you up one level, and go through the doors to exit the secure area, meaning you give up on your clean status and end up in the same area as passengers coming from non-clean B arrivals, go through Schengen entry immigration (or walk to the SkyLine, see next paragraph), go back down one level, go through transfer security at the right after which you end up in the Schengen B departure area where you'll be able to access the tunnel going to A.
As not everyone is eligible to enter Schengen, there is also the secondary option of walking to the non-Schengen SkyLine after exiting the secure area. The SkyLine provides non-immigrant access to Z, C, D, and E, obviously with security rescreening. Depending on circumstances, this could be a faster option to transfer from non-Schengen B to Z (and from there to A).
Last edited by mozilla; Aug 24, 2022 at 6:49 pm
Aug 24, 2022, 6:43 pm
#6936
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Portland
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What non schengen countries are considered clean. I know from beg to ams there is no re-screening whereas in muc and fra i am bot sure. Anyone,?
Aug 24, 2022, 7:01 pm
#6937
Join Date: Jul 2012
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* Select non-EU origins that apply the EU security screening standards: UK (not including the channel islands and the Isle of Man), Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland.
Furthermore, the EU has made bilateral agreements extending clean status to select non-EU origins that do not apply the EU standards but do demonstrate equivalent levels of security screening: United States, Canada, Singapore, Serbia, Montenegro, Jersey, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man, as well as two specific airports: FAE and SFJ.
Last edited by mozilla; Aug 24, 2022 at 7:22 pm Reason: SIN added
Aug 24, 2022, 7:10 pm
#6938
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SIN is also clean if you're arriving on the SQ SIN-FRA-JFK flight and connecting onward to JFK (then you just exit into the B NS gate area and reboard for the second leg, so technically if you were connecting onward to say LHR on LH you could probably bypass security that way as well)
Aug 24, 2022, 7:18 pm
#6939
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Correct, apparently the list I took from the EU website was not that up-to-date. SIN seems to be a recent addition, added in 2018. Serbia seems to have been added recently as well.
Talks are ongoing with Israel and Japan.
Talks are ongoing with Israel and Japan.
Aug 24, 2022, 7:21 pm
#6940
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* All EU origins
* Select non-EU origins that apply the EU security screening standards: UK (not including the channel islands and the Isle of Man), Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland.
Furthermore, the EU has made bilateral agreements extending clean status to select non-EU origins that do not apply the EU standards but do demonstrate equivalent levels of security screening: United States, Canada, Singapore, Montenegro, Jersey, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man, as well as two specific airports: FAE and SFJ.
* Select non-EU origins that apply the EU security screening standards: UK (not including the channel islands and the Isle of Man), Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland.
Furthermore, the EU has made bilateral agreements extending clean status to select non-EU origins that do not apply the EU standards but do demonstrate equivalent levels of security screening: United States, Canada, Singapore, Montenegro, Jersey, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man, as well as two specific airports: FAE and SFJ.
Aug 25, 2022, 2:24 pm
#6941
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So to immigrate from non-Schengen B departures, you'd follow this sign which takes you up one level, and go through the doors to exit the secure area, meaning you give up on your clean status and end up in the same area as passengers coming from non-clean B arrivals, go through Schengen entry immigration (or walk to the SkyLine, see next paragraph), go back down one level, go through transfer security at the right after which you end up in the Schengen B departure area where you'll be able to access the tunnel going to A.
Aug 25, 2022, 2:56 pm
#6942
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Hmm, so I'm wondering if I came off SQ's JFK-FRA, which is effectively a non-clean B arrival (notwithstanding the US origin), then I would go through entry immigration, and you're saying there is a security screening right after passport control that could get me to Schengen B and the tunnel from (I think B19) for a shortcut to an A-gate Schengen departure (~A25 in my case)? That would seem to be quite a bit faster than the trek all the way out practically to baggage claim and then in through A security screening. Perhaps I would have had time for a bite in the lounge before my connection if I knew that...
I believe SQ arrivals from JFK are treated as ‘clean’ and can board the same aircraft again (obviously from the same B gate) without re-clearing security if continuing to SIN. I think those eligible can visit a lounge. But I’m not sure how those with connecting flights from other concourses are treated.
Aug 25, 2022, 3:17 pm
#6943
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Yes. After entry immigration, the only option is to go down one level to the departures level, and right as you come off the escalator, there is a choice of either going left towards exit/bag claim or right where there is a security checkpoint just for transfer passengers which ends up in Schengen B. It seems easy to miss, however, as the general flow of people goes left, many "follow the flow" only to end up in the public area unintentionally.
It may or may not (or not always) be open, however, as staff shortages continue.
Aug 28, 2022, 4:10 am
#6945
Join Date: Aug 2022
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Hello everyone.
I have flights in December and the routing is MAN-FRA-MUC-CPT. I understand that if I was connecting through just one of the German airports that I will be connecting non-Schengen to non-Schengen and hopefully straightforward. As I have two connections in Germany does this change and do I need to do anything else such as visas etc? I’m only asking as I previously missed a flight due to a visa cock up and it cost me a lot of money to rectify so want to be sure! UK passport holder.
Thanks
I have flights in December and the routing is MAN-FRA-MUC-CPT. I understand that if I was connecting through just one of the German airports that I will be connecting non-Schengen to non-Schengen and hopefully straightforward. As I have two connections in Germany does this change and do I need to do anything else such as visas etc? I’m only asking as I previously missed a flight due to a visa cock up and it cost me a lot of money to rectify so want to be sure! UK passport holder.
Thanks