Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Sep 25, 2023, 12:46 pm
#7742
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 8
I have an eight hour layover at FRA next month. Coming from the US and going to Barcelona. I am a full-time wheelchair user. Am I crazy to think I have time to take the train into Frankfurt for a few hours? How much time do I need to get back through security? Woud two hours be sufficient?
Sep 25, 2023, 1:55 pm
#7743
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: INN
Posts: 2,914
I have an eight hour layover at FRA next month. Coming from the US and going to Barcelona. I am a full-time wheelchair user. Am I crazy to think I have time to take the train into Frankfurt for a few hours? How much time do I need to get back through security? Woud two hours be sufficient?
The bigger problem is to get on a train without having to rely on unreliable external help: The long distance ICE trains are not level boarding and you will rely on a lift that is either provided by the station or the train, which are prone to fail or just not show up. The S-Bahn (commuter train) is usually level boarding, except at the FRA airport regional station, where is uses a 20cm lower platform shared with the regional trains. So the only option might to actually get onto the train without external help might be some of the regional trains, but I'm not using them often enough to know what trains are running there, maybe some of the locals can chime in.
And yes, all this is against the EU directive and local law on accessibility requirements, but as Germany can't agree on a single platform height unlike most of its neighbors it probably won't get much better soon.
Sep 25, 2023, 10:49 pm
#7744
Join Date: May 2018
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 1,506
I have an eight hour layover at FRA next month. Coming from the US and going to Barcelona. I am a full-time wheelchair user. Am I crazy to think I have time to take the train into Frankfurt for a few hours? How much time do I need to get back through security? Woud two hours be sufficient?
As the S-Bahn / Regional station is not directly underneath the terminal you'll need to get down from arrivals level to a concourse level then across to the station area then down to the platforms.
RMV S-Bahn mobility-impaired landing page https://www.rmv.de/c/en/services/inf...g-difficulties
As noted by the other reply, the S-Bahn trains are not level with the platform. You would need to position yourself near where the front of the train will stop so the driver can provide you with a ramp at the first set of doors.
The signs indicating the next arriving train indicate how long it will be, how many four-wagon sets it is composed of. One image / set is a short / kurz train, two is a normal train and three is a long / lang train.
If you look above or beside the tracks in the direction of travel you will see signs with a black H on white. These indicate where the front of train should stop and if different length trains have different stopping points they'll be indicated by "H kurz", "H" and "H lang" respectively.
At the front doors the "door open" button should also have an "assistance required" button next to it. But if you are in the right place the driver should have seen you and know you will need help. The wheelchair area inside the train then has an "assistance required" button to use when approaching your destination station.
Sep 26, 2023, 2:49 pm
#7745
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 8
So in general an hour should be enough to get through security even in a wheelchair assuming you are a quick roller once past security
The bigger problem is to get on a train without having to rely on unreliable external help: The long distance ICE trains are not level boarding and you will rely on a lift that is either provided by the station or the train, which are prone to fail or just not show up. The S-Bahn (commuter train) is usually level boarding, except at the FRA airport regional station, where is uses a 20cm lower platform shared with the regional trains. So the only option might to actually get onto the train without external help might be some of the regional trains, but I'm not using them often enough to know what trains are running there, maybe some of the locals can chime in.
And yes, all this is against the EU directive and local law on accessibility requirements, but as Germany can't agree on a single platform height unlike most of its neighbors it probably won't get much better soon.
The bigger problem is to get on a train without having to rely on unreliable external help: The long distance ICE trains are not level boarding and you will rely on a lift that is either provided by the station or the train, which are prone to fail or just not show up. The S-Bahn (commuter train) is usually level boarding, except at the FRA airport regional station, where is uses a 20cm lower platform shared with the regional trains. So the only option might to actually get onto the train without external help might be some of the regional trains, but I'm not using them often enough to know what trains are running there, maybe some of the locals can chime in.
And yes, all this is against the EU directive and local law on accessibility requirements, but as Germany can't agree on a single platform height unlike most of its neighbors it probably won't get much better soon.
Sep 26, 2023, 2:55 pm
#7746
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 8
it's certainly possible but perhaps not easy.
As the S-Bahn / Regional station is not directly underneath the terminal you'll need to get down from arrivals level to a concourse level then across to the station area then down to the platforms.
RMV S-Bahn mobility-impaired landing page https://www.rmv.de/c/en/services/inf...g-difficulties
As noted by the other reply, the S-Bahn trains are not level with the platform. You would need to position yourself near where the front of the train will stop so the driver can provide you with a ramp at the first set of doors.
The signs indicating the next arriving train indicate how long it will be, how many four-wagon sets it is composed of. One image / set is a short / kurz train, two is a normal train and three is a long / lang train.
If you look above or beside the tracks in the direction of travel you will see signs with a black H on white. These indicate where the front of train should stop and if different length trains have different stopping points they'll be indicated by "H kurz", "H" and "H lang" respectively.
At the front doors the "door open" button should also have an "assistance required" button next to it. But if you are in the right place the driver should have seen you and know you will need help. The wheelchair area inside the train then has an "assistance required" button to use when approaching your destination station.
As the S-Bahn / Regional station is not directly underneath the terminal you'll need to get down from arrivals level to a concourse level then across to the station area then down to the platforms.
RMV S-Bahn mobility-impaired landing page https://www.rmv.de/c/en/services/inf...g-difficulties
As noted by the other reply, the S-Bahn trains are not level with the platform. You would need to position yourself near where the front of the train will stop so the driver can provide you with a ramp at the first set of doors.
The signs indicating the next arriving train indicate how long it will be, how many four-wagon sets it is composed of. One image / set is a short / kurz train, two is a normal train and three is a long / lang train.
If you look above or beside the tracks in the direction of travel you will see signs with a black H on white. These indicate where the front of train should stop and if different length trains have different stopping points they'll be indicated by "H kurz", "H" and "H lang" respectively.
At the front doors the "door open" button should also have an "assistance required" button next to it. But if you are in the right place the driver should have seen you and know you will need help. The wheelchair area inside the train then has an "assistance required" button to use when approaching your destination station.
Oct 5, 2023, 1:28 pm
#7747
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sunny AZ
Programs: HH Diamond, Sixt Platinum, IHG Spire Ambassador, Marriott/SPG Gold .....
Posts: 3,214
Hi,
Connecting between to LH fligghts in J. ORD > FRA > HAJ on 10/10 non schengen to schengen. Will have 3h which should give me some time to take a shower.
A) Will there be security between my gates
B) Which one is the best (or only) LH lounge for me to take a shower? I'm Krisflyer Gold but I assume that wouldn't really broaden my choices in the Schenger area.
Connecting between to LH fligghts in J. ORD > FRA > HAJ on 10/10 non schengen to schengen. Will have 3h which should give me some time to take a shower.
A) Will there be security between my gates
B) Which one is the best (or only) LH lounge for me to take a shower? I'm Krisflyer Gold but I assume that wouldn't really broaden my choices in the Schenger area.
Oct 5, 2023, 2:16 pm
#7748
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Dallas, Texas
Programs: AA ExPlat. Marriott Plat, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 78
Hi everyone,
My wife and I are flying AA DFW-FRA on SWU's and planning to catch a flight (obviously on a separate ticket) to AMS. KLM has a perfect flight which is exactly 3 hours after we are scheduled to land in FRA. We will be arriving in Business class so should be pretty quick off the plane and we don't waste time. The question is, is 3hr enough time for immigration, luggage pickup, check in, and subsequent security. The KLM flight would be business so should have fast track. Thanks in advance.
My wife and I are flying AA DFW-FRA on SWU's and planning to catch a flight (obviously on a separate ticket) to AMS. KLM has a perfect flight which is exactly 3 hours after we are scheduled to land in FRA. We will be arriving in Business class so should be pretty quick off the plane and we don't waste time. The question is, is 3hr enough time for immigration, luggage pickup, check in, and subsequent security. The KLM flight would be business so should have fast track. Thanks in advance.
Oct 5, 2023, 2:18 pm
#7749
Join Date: May 2018
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 1,506
Hi everyone,
My wife and I are flying AA DFW-FRA on SWU's and planning to catch a flight (obviously on a separate ticket) to AMS. KLM has a perfect flight which is exactly 3 hours after we are scheduled to land in FRA. We will be arriving in Business class so should be pretty quick off the plane and we don't waste time. The question is, is 3hr enough time for immigration, luggage pickup, check in, and subsequent security. The KLM flight would be business so should have fast track. Thanks in advance.
My wife and I are flying AA DFW-FRA on SWU's and planning to catch a flight (obviously on a separate ticket) to AMS. KLM has a perfect flight which is exactly 3 hours after we are scheduled to land in FRA. We will be arriving in Business class so should be pretty quick off the plane and we don't waste time. The question is, is 3hr enough time for immigration, luggage pickup, check in, and subsequent security. The KLM flight would be business so should have fast track. Thanks in advance.
Delivery of checked bags is highly variable at the moment due to staffing issues.
Oct 6, 2023, 3:20 am
#7750
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,065
Hi,
Connecting between to LH fligghts in J. ORD > FRA > HAJ on 10/10 non schengen to schengen. Will have 3h which should give me some time to take a shower.
A) Will there be security between my gates
B) Which one is the best (or only) LH lounge for me to take a shower? I'm Krisflyer Gold but I assume that wouldn't really broaden my choices in the Schenger area.
Connecting between to LH fligghts in J. ORD > FRA > HAJ on 10/10 non schengen to schengen. Will have 3h which should give me some time to take a shower.
A) Will there be security between my gates
B) Which one is the best (or only) LH lounge for me to take a shower? I'm Krisflyer Gold but I assume that wouldn't really broaden my choices in the Schenger area.
B) You will have a choice of any Lufhtansa Business and Senator lounges. In Schengen, and particularly for a shower, I would suggest the A26 business lounge (upstairs from gate level)
Oct 7, 2023, 10:18 am
#7751
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 733
ORD-FRA-BAH. Arriving in FRA T1 [LH or UA, to be determined], 5 hour layover, departing from FRA T2 on GF. Checked baggage but UA and LH both appear to interline with GF. One ticket.
This connection (T1->T2 airside transfer between two non-Schengen places) does not require going through immigration and thus no Schengen visa is required, right? No issues? Pax has no Schengen visa but would require one to actually enter Schengen (not from a country requiring an airport transit visa though).
This connection (T1->T2 airside transfer between two non-Schengen places) does not require going through immigration and thus no Schengen visa is required, right? No issues? Pax has no Schengen visa but would require one to actually enter Schengen (not from a country requiring an airport transit visa though).
Oct 7, 2023, 11:30 am
#7752
Join Date: May 2018
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 1,506
ORD-FRA-BAH. Arriving in FRA T1 [LH or UA, to be determined], 5 hour layover, departing from FRA T2 on GF. Checked baggage but UA and LH both appear to interline with GF. One ticket.
This connection (T1->T2 airside transfer between two non-Schengen places) does not require going through immigration and thus no Schengen visa is required, right? No issues? Pax has no Schengen visa but would require one to actually enter Schengen (not from a country requiring an airport transit visa though).
This connection (T1->T2 airside transfer between two non-Schengen places) does not require going through immigration and thus no Schengen visa is required, right? No issues? Pax has no Schengen visa but would require one to actually enter Schengen (not from a country requiring an airport transit visa though).
It's not secure and T2 security is at the gate anyway.
Oct 11, 2023, 2:36 pm
#7753
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NYC
Programs: DL PM; UA 1K; AA 1MM
Posts: 4,518
Looking at a 55 minute Schengen-Schengen connection. Easy, right? However, the inbound will be on a CR9 so a bus arrival.
Will I hate myself for this?
Will I hate myself for this?
Oct 11, 2023, 3:00 pm
#7754
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 15,722
Arriving on BA from LHR and will be connecting to an LH or Aegean flight on separate ticket. How much time should I allocate for the connection in summer?
There will be no protection on LH since it will be a separate ticket.
There will be no protection on LH since it will be a separate ticket.
Last edited by Boraxo; Oct 11, 2023 at 3:34 pm
Oct 11, 2023, 3:05 pm
#7755
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Frankfurt
Programs: LH, A3, BA
Posts: 327
You should be fine. Unless, you are delayed and your next flight is not. And this is a significant risk these days. (But this also applies with a finger position.) So questions you should ask yourself: are there more flights to your final destination that day, how important is it for you to get to your final destination in time? Then also check on a flight tracker the delay history of that particular flight and you get a good sense what your risk is.