Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Jan 29, 2019, 2:34 am
#5071
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The FRA equivalent would be arrival in Z, through passport control to A, through the tunnel and through passport control into B non-Schengen. Still better than the "official" route of the Skyline train and B security even for UK passport holders for the time being. 
P.S. Please report back!
P.S. Please report back!
Being extremely smart I checked the screen, which was just as well because the gate had changed from the 20's to the high 40's.
I'd deliberately not clock-watched my trip. There's no point when you're going flat out. I made it as one of the last to board: without your advice, the ability to move fast and a measure of luck I wouldn't have made it.
I know the serendipity fairy will occasionally align arrival gates with connecting departure gates, but aren't the tight minimum connection times at FRA somewhat over ambitious?
Jan 29, 2019, 3:00 am
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[QUOTE=IAN-UK;30713389, but aren't the tight minimum connection times at FRA somewhat over ambitious?[/QUOTE]
Very ! Unless it’s Schengen to Schengen
Very ! Unless it’s Schengen to Schengen
Jan 29, 2019, 4:56 am
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Slight confusion because my original post was "pending" for a day, so our exchange yesterday was (almost) live. Arrival was ANS - i think i saw ANSW on the bus driver's screen. At least I was on the first bus, along with the less than thrilled business-class passengers. Struggled to run up two sets of escalators with carry-on but managed to squeeze through the doors of the departing train. Decanted into T1 A/B, raced through the sleeping area, blushed as I passed the scene of November's mistake (B passport control), veered left and skidded to a stop in the very large B security area. Only three lanes open, and I was the only customer. An alarming pat down, but they ignored, or didn't pick-up on, a loose after-shave gift in my carry-on (Manchester would have had a field day over that).
Being extremely smart I checked the screen, which was just as well because the gate had changed from the 20's to the high 40's.
I'd deliberately not clock-watched my trip. There's no point when you're going flat out. I made it as one of the last to board: without your advice, the ability to move fast and a measure of luck I wouldn't have made it.
I know the serendipity fairy will occasionally align arrival gates with connecting departure gates, but aren't the tight minimum connection times at FRA somewhat over ambitious?
Being extremely smart I checked the screen, which was just as well because the gate had changed from the 20's to the high 40's.
I'd deliberately not clock-watched my trip. There's no point when you're going flat out. I made it as one of the last to board: without your advice, the ability to move fast and a measure of luck I wouldn't have made it.
I know the serendipity fairy will occasionally align arrival gates with connecting departure gates, but aren't the tight minimum connection times at FRA somewhat over ambitious?
At least the connection time was 50 mins rather than 35 mins which would have been very ambitious. It sounds like you arrived at the same bus gate (ANSW or A Non-Schengen West) where you arrived last November. There is actually a lift on your left as you come through the doors before going down a few steps. But otherwise you followed the only practical route for this connection.
Feb 12, 2019, 12:00 am
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I have a tight but legal connection coming up. Flying SQ25 Suites JFK-FRA on an award ticket. Unfortunately, the LH connection to Geneva didn’t have award seats so we had to purchase that ticket. So different tickets (I know we aren’t protected). SQ lands at FRA at 9:50 and the flight to GVA departs at 11:35 and we will thru check our luggage to GVA. Looks like the fight to GVA (CRJ-900) has been leaving from gates 50-60 the past several days. This will be my 3rd time connecting at FRA, so not my first time but not an expert yet either.
Thanks for any advice.
Thanks for any advice.
Go through passport control and right away COME BACK through B security. Do not go to the main hall and try A.
If you have access to priority security, B seems to be always empty. They've been very thorough recently,
have an annoying shoe system (let you keep the shoes and pass through and THEN have your shoes pass again, weird)
but it's much faster than anything A.
After B security take the tunnel to A. Took me less than 1/2 hour from stepping off the Singapore plane to the A lounge.
Feb 16, 2019, 1:47 am
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I am flying TLS-FRA-SOF tomorrow in business. Flight arrives at 09.10 and the SOF flight departs 10.00, gate closes at 09.30. Is this doable?
Feb 16, 2019, 2:37 am
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Feb 16, 2019, 2:57 am
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Boarding usually starts 30 minutes before departure, i.e. at 09:30. Gate does not close at 09:30! As long as your flight from TLS is not very late you should be fine especially since you will be in business and can deplane before other passengers. I did a similarly tight connection last September (from A23 which is a little closer to the elevators in A to B47 which is about the same distance as B28 from passport control in B) in just 12 minutes by walking very fast.
Feb 16, 2019, 3:26 am
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Thanks for that. I will get my running shoes on.
Feb 17, 2019, 11:22 am
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PRG-FRA on LH
FRA-YYZ on AC
I will go from A (Prague arrival) to B (Departure for Canada)
Do I need to clear security between A and B?
Tks
No, just head for the transfer tunnel between gates A15/17 , just passport control once you enter B.
How does this square with info from demue, post 5040, ref MXP-FRA-USA (final destination not given):
You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
FRA-YYZ on AC
I will go from A (Prague arrival) to B (Departure for Canada)
Do I need to clear security between A and B?
Tks
No, just head for the transfer tunnel between gates A15/17 , just passport control once you enter B.
How does this square with info from demue, post 5040, ref MXP-FRA-USA (final destination not given):
You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
Feb 17, 2019, 11:59 am
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[/left]PRG-FRA on LH
FRA-YYZ on AC
I will go from A (Prague arrival) to B (Departure for Canada)
Do I need to clear security between A and B?
Tks
No, just head for the transfer tunnel between gates A15/17 , just passport control once you enter B.
How does this square with info from demue, post 5040, ref MXP-FRA-USA (final destination not given):
You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
FRA-YYZ on AC
I will go from A (Prague arrival) to B (Departure for Canada)
Do I need to clear security between A and B?
Tks
No, just head for the transfer tunnel between gates A15/17 , just passport control once you enter B.
How does this square with info from demue, post 5040, ref MXP-FRA-USA (final destination not given):
You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
Feb 17, 2019, 12:24 pm
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Thanks, NewbieRunner -
I'll be connecting MXP - FRA - SIN. So just one passport check and no security screening?
I'll be connecting MXP - FRA - SIN. So just one passport check and no security screening?
Feb 17, 2019, 12:33 pm
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Feb 17, 2019, 12:49 pm
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On SQ, with a Schengen passport. Thanks!
Feb 17, 2019, 1:03 pm
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Feb 17, 2019, 1:46 pm
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Great! Thanks! Sounds relatively simple (for FRA).