Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Jan 9, 2019, 5:14 pm
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Welcome to FlyerTalk Jim1978.
Are the flights all on one booking? or is the Milan-Frankfurt on a separate ticket?
Are the flights all on one booking? or is the Milan-Frankfurt on a separate ticket?
Jan 9, 2019, 5:54 pm
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Forgot to mention that..its on one booking,thanks
Jan 9, 2019, 8:30 pm
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You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
Last edited by demue; Jan 9, 2019 at 8:36 pm
Jan 9, 2019, 11:07 pm
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You will be going from Schengen Zone to Non-Schengen Zone so definitely Passport Control and Security Check. IME, for US bound flights security is always "extra special" (tight) with additional screening etc. 1:15hr is permitted MCT, but not generous for FRA. As it is on one ticket you are protected though.
Jan 9, 2019, 11:20 pm
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If there is a delay of your first flight, and miss the connection, then LH has a responsibility to provides options to your destination - hence 'protected'. I am assuming that LH sold you this ticket.
However, if you had 2 separate tickets for this journey (say LH and UA), then there is no 'protection' if the first flight is delayed so you cannot take the second - you'd be a 'no show' and the carrier for the second flight (UA) has no obligation to make other arrangements. You would need to rely on travel insurance or buy a partial/new ticket depending on the fare rules.
In some cases the second carrier has assisted out of goodwill, but this cannot be relied on.
So, buying separate tickets immediately introduces this 'risk' that needs to be factored in when looking at the time gap between arrival and subsequent departure.
However, if you had 2 separate tickets for this journey (say LH and UA), then there is no 'protection' if the first flight is delayed so you cannot take the second - you'd be a 'no show' and the carrier for the second flight (UA) has no obligation to make other arrangements. You would need to rely on travel insurance or buy a partial/new ticket depending on the fare rules.
In some cases the second carrier has assisted out of goodwill, but this cannot be relied on.
So, buying separate tickets immediately introduces this 'risk' that needs to be factored in when looking at the time gap between arrival and subsequent departure.
Jan 10, 2019, 12:48 am
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Since you will be arriving from an EU country you don’t have to go through regular security, just passport control in FRA. However, as this is a flight to the US some passengers may be selected for security check by the boarding gate.
Unless the incoming flight is very late you should be fine for this connection.
Jan 10, 2019, 8:27 am
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Thank You for sharing your knowledge and experience on this matter!
Jan 10, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Welcome to FlyerTalk, Jim1978!
Since you will be arriving from an EU country you don’t have to go through regular security, just passport control in FRA. However, as this is a flight to the US some passengers may be selected for security check by the boarding gate.
Unless the incoming flight is very late you should be fine for this connection.
Since you will be arriving from an EU country you don’t have to go through regular security, just passport control in FRA. However, as this is a flight to the US some passengers may be selected for security check by the boarding gate.
Unless the incoming flight is very late you should be fine for this connection.
It was in the afternoon and things were fairly quiet in transfer passport control and Z more generally. YMMV.
Jan 10, 2019, 9:24 pm
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Non-Schengen flights in T1, but PP in T2?
I'm about to purchase an itinerary (AMM-FRA-YYZ on LH/AC) which will bring me through non-Schengen T1. My layover is relatively short (2.5hrs) but I have PP. Unfortunately, the PP lounge in T1 (LuxxLounge) is landside.
Is it worth taking the Skylink over to T2 to get to one of the airside PP lounges and then go back? Schengen Visa isn't a problem, just the annoyance of waiting in line for immigration/customs.
I also have the option of extending my layover to 6 hours for a VERY leisurely transit.
Is it worth taking the Skylink over to T2 to get to one of the airside PP lounges and then go back? Schengen Visa isn't a problem, just the annoyance of waiting in line for immigration/customs.
I also have the option of extending my layover to 6 hours for a VERY leisurely transit.
Jan 11, 2019, 6:37 am
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There is a lounge in non-Schengen area in T2, SkyyLounge.
Not that it's particularly worth going to. And you still have to do security.
Are you no longer *G? The Air Canada lounge as well as LH SEN lounges would be a far, far better choice.
Not that it's particularly worth going to. And you still have to do security.
Are you no longer *G? The Air Canada lounge as well as LH SEN lounges would be a far, far better choice.
Jan 12, 2019, 3:03 pm
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I have a tight but legal connection coming up. Flying SQ25 Suites JFK-FRA on an award ticket. Unfortunately, the LH connection to Geneva didn’t have award seats so we had to purchase that ticket. So different tickets (I know we aren’t protected). SQ lands at FRA at 9:50 and the flight to GVA departs at 11:35 and we will thru check our luggage to GVA. Looks like the fight to GVA (CRJ-900) has been leaving from gates 50-60 the past several days. This will be my 3rd time connecting at FRA, so not my first time but not an expert yet either.
Thanks for any advice.
Thanks for any advice.
Jan 13, 2019, 3:46 am
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I have a tight but legal connection coming up. Flying SQ25 Suites JFK-FRA on an award ticket. Unfortunately, the LH connection to Geneva didn’t have award seats so we had to purchase that ticket. So different tickets (I know we aren’t protected). SQ lands at FRA at 9:50 and the flight to GVA departs at 11:35 and we will thru check our luggage to GVA. Looks like the fight to GVA (CRJ-900) has been leaving from gates 50-60 the past several days. This will be my 3rd time connecting at FRA, so not my first time but not an expert yet either.
Thanks for any advice.
Thanks for any advice.
If SQ don’t check your bags through to GVA it will be incredibly tight and whether you make it will depend on all kinds of factors such as bag delivery time and security queue.
Jan 16, 2019, 5:53 am
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I searched this thread but I wasn't able to get a very definitive answer so here's my questions. Of course if this has been answered before please point me in that direction.
My route is BOM - FRA - MCO. All on LH & I have 6 hours to kill in FRA. I've been to the Senator lounge(s) several times and from the looks of things the MLL seems to be a more interesting option to pass the time. Historically the BOM - FRA arrives in B and the FRA - MCO leaves from Z. I'm on an Indian passport and don't have a Schengen visa.
So here are my questions:
1. Is MLL still much better than LH Sen in Z? Some of the initial reports indicate that. Wanted to make sure it still holds true.
2. If I arrive in B (non-Schengen of course) would I have easy access to the lounge or would I have to go through transit security.
3. If I have to go through Transit Security will there be any issues going from B to Z afterwards or if I land in Z doing Z-B-Z?
4. How much time should I budget forgetting back to Z from MLL? The FRA-MCO flight is in the afternoon - 1 or 2 PM.
5. Is this the best route to hop concourses - The official route from Z to B will be to go to Z16, take the Skyline shuttle to the next stop (B/C) and walk to B transfer security. After security bear left, walk passed McD and keep going. Don't go down the escalator. You will see the MLL entrance on your right. B56 is a bus gate in the dungeon.
My route is BOM - FRA - MCO. All on LH & I have 6 hours to kill in FRA. I've been to the Senator lounge(s) several times and from the looks of things the MLL seems to be a more interesting option to pass the time. Historically the BOM - FRA arrives in B and the FRA - MCO leaves from Z. I'm on an Indian passport and don't have a Schengen visa.
So here are my questions:
1. Is MLL still much better than LH Sen in Z? Some of the initial reports indicate that. Wanted to make sure it still holds true.
2. If I arrive in B (non-Schengen of course) would I have easy access to the lounge or would I have to go through transit security.
3. If I have to go through Transit Security will there be any issues going from B to Z afterwards or if I land in Z doing Z-B-Z?
4. How much time should I budget forgetting back to Z from MLL? The FRA-MCO flight is in the afternoon - 1 or 2 PM.
5. Is this the best route to hop concourses - The official route from Z to B will be to go to Z16, take the Skyline shuttle to the next stop (B/C) and walk to B transfer security. After security bear left, walk passed McD and keep going. Don't go down the escalator. You will see the MLL entrance on your right. B56 is a bus gate in the dungeon.