Passenger in FA jump seat
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Passenger in FA jump seat
Is there ever an occasion when it is considered an acceptable or normal practice to have a passenger seated in a flight attendant jump seat for the majority of a flight?
On a recent vacation trip with the whole (large) family, I had for the MUC-BCN connecting flight on LH intentionally chosen the exit row seat, not only for its comfort, but also so as to have easy access to the aisle to be able to check frequently on the others in our group.
However, shortly after take-off a very large older Germanic man plopped down in the flight attendant's jump seat in our row which when down completely blocks access to the aisle (and in fact would completely block access to the exit for everyone else in case of emergency). I was just about to point out to the passenger (who from his demeanor certainly appeared to be a regular tourist passenger on holiday, not an off-duty pilot, FA, etc.) that he could not use that seat when my wife informed me (I had not been paying attention) that it was actually a flight attendant who had moved the man there. He remained in that spot until we began the descent into Barcelona, and the flight attendants even served him his sandwich and drink there - even though there was no table for him (he held his lunch in his lap and kept looking longingly back at our tray tables, as if waiting for us to volunteer to share).
I should note that that flight was far from full, so I can't imagine what would have led the flight attendants to do this. But beyond that, I kept thinking that surely this must be a violation of safety regulations, no? Are LH FA's really allowed to use their jump seats as simply a more comfy place for an occasional oversized passenger - even if that puts a person of very questionable fitness not only seated in an exit row but in an odd forward, obstructive position in an exit row?
On a recent vacation trip with the whole (large) family, I had for the MUC-BCN connecting flight on LH intentionally chosen the exit row seat, not only for its comfort, but also so as to have easy access to the aisle to be able to check frequently on the others in our group.
However, shortly after take-off a very large older Germanic man plopped down in the flight attendant's jump seat in our row which when down completely blocks access to the aisle (and in fact would completely block access to the exit for everyone else in case of emergency). I was just about to point out to the passenger (who from his demeanor certainly appeared to be a regular tourist passenger on holiday, not an off-duty pilot, FA, etc.) that he could not use that seat when my wife informed me (I had not been paying attention) that it was actually a flight attendant who had moved the man there. He remained in that spot until we began the descent into Barcelona, and the flight attendants even served him his sandwich and drink there - even though there was no table for him (he held his lunch in his lap and kept looking longingly back at our tray tables, as if waiting for us to volunteer to share).
I should note that that flight was far from full, so I can't imagine what would have led the flight attendants to do this. But beyond that, I kept thinking that surely this must be a violation of safety regulations, no? Are LH FA's really allowed to use their jump seats as simply a more comfy place for an occasional oversized passenger - even if that puts a person of very questionable fitness not only seated in an exit row but in an odd forward, obstructive position in an exit row?
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Strictly a guess: Maybe he was a non-cabin-staff non-revenue flyer - such as a ground crew worker, baggage handler, mechanic, etc?
As to the location of the jump seat, maybe it was a weight-and-balance issue?
As to the location of the jump seat, maybe it was a weight-and-balance issue?
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I was once tugged into the jump seat on ZRH-FRA when LH bungled my ticket and hence checked the flight in full even though was there early. They decided to IDB me first until they came to the insight that I caused too much trouble.
Their sense of sway and possession that the plane and all its goodies are theirs. Including the lives of the passengers. It is hence an integral part of FA eduction by any good pax to insult them on a regular base to remind them that this is not true.
Their sense of sway and possession that the plane and all its goodies are theirs. Including the lives of the passengers. It is hence an integral part of FA eduction by any good pax to insult them on a regular base to remind them that this is not true.
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My fight against the FAs is not an awarding one andre1970 - unlike airing trivial demands a la Lady Di - not burying fragmentation mines in sandboxes and not decapitating minors for being vocal - the supporting group for rude FAs is huge (it comprises a vast majority of the adult males driven entirely by mating hormones) and hence they constitute a target as hard and resilient as Stalingrad .
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Last year March during a big snow storm, there was a serious overbooking from BOS to FRA (one flight did not make it to BOS from ZRH), so they were putting people on FRA flight. The 747 was completely full and there were passengers on the jump seats (all jump seats were full), which after take off were taken to the crew quarters for the duration of the flight. Passengers returned back to jump seats for landing.
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Last year March during a big snow storm, there was a serious overbooking from BOS to FRA (one flight did not make it to BOS from ZRH), so they were putting people on FRA flight. The 747 was completely full and there were passengers on the jump seats (all jump seats were full), which after take off were taken to the crew quarters for the duration of the flight. Passengers returned back to jump seats for landing.
Anyhow, seemed strange to me that a C pax is not even given a Y seat but has to sit at the door (freezing, uncomfortable, noisy, etc.) instead of enjoying his nice AC single cabin C seat.
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So who would or could have initiated an emergency evacuation through that door then, your friend?
AFAIK FAs are free to give their seats to PAX during the flight but not during takeoffs or landings as this is their primary mission, in case of an emergency to decide if the exit is usable and initiate/supervise/assist the evac.
AFAIK FAs are free to give their seats to PAX during the flight but not during takeoffs or landings as this is their primary mission, in case of an emergency to decide if the exit is usable and initiate/supervise/assist the evac.
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But beyond that, I kept thinking that surely this must be a violation of safety regulations, no? Are LH FA's really allowed to use their jump seats as simply a more comfy place for an occasional oversized passenger - even if that puts a person of very questionable fitness not only seated in an exit row but in an odd forward, obstructive position in an exit row?
Occacionaly you find "regular (i.e. fare paying)" passengers occupying jump seats, this is only possible as normally there are more jumps seats than cabin crew members. Hence it is considered safer to have an "able bodied" passenger sitting there than nobody at all. This, however, is solely at the discretion of the captain.
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The claims up here had been different:
there were passengers on the jump seats (all jump seats were full), which after take off were taken to the crew quarters for the duration of the flight. Passengers returned back to jump seats for landing.
a friend flying from YYZ to ZRH (booked in C on AC) that ended up on a FA jump seat for the whole flight
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