LH email survey - new economy sleeper seats
Jul 18, 2007, 7:12 am
#61
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See yourself:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-economy.html
or in German:
http://www.travelinside.ch/travelins..._objectID=3461
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...r-economy.html
or in German:
http://www.travelinside.ch/travelins..._objectID=3461
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Jul 18, 2007, 7:31 am
#62
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Jul 18, 2007, 7:32 am
#63
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Interesting concept I'd say. Sort of like sleeper carriages on trains. Still a dozen or so questions left open... 
Take off/landing while lying down, where to serve food, where to store carry-on luggage and so on... Bunk assignment will also be interesting, as there will be a significant number of people that cannot use the top bunks because of different health issues etc. Grandma is most likely not going to be happy with a top-bunk...
Take off/landing while lying down, where to serve food, where to store carry-on luggage and so on... Bunk assignment will also be interesting, as there will be a significant number of people that cannot use the top bunks because of different health issues etc. Grandma is most likely not going to be happy with a top-bunk...
Jul 18, 2007, 10:05 am
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Interesting concept I'd say. Sort of like sleeper carriages on trains. Still a dozen or so questions left open...
Take off/landing while lying down, where to serve food, where to store carry-on luggage and so on... Bunk assignment will also be interesting, as there will be a significant number of people that cannot use the top bunks because of different health issues etc. Grandma is most likely not going to be happy with a top-bunk...
Take off/landing while lying down, where to serve food, where to store carry-on luggage and so on... Bunk assignment will also be interesting, as there will be a significant number of people that cannot use the top bunks because of different health issues etc. Grandma is most likely not going to be happy with a top-bunk...
2. Food is self service in the galley.
3. Dedicated compartment for carry-on storage in the back.
4. According to the LH survey this is not to fully replace Y class. Part of the Y cabin is default LH Y and part the sleeper. Therefore grandma or people with health issues can happily choose a bit more conservative seating in standard Y.
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Jul 19, 2007, 2:15 am
#65
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New Y sleeper class
Looks a bit like the beds in Swiss nuclear air-raid shelters to me
Actually I have slept in one of those, but it was far from full - if it were full, it's frighteningly intimate and there's an awful lot of noise (snoring). Fortunately in a plane the background noise would cover most of it and you have ear-plugs.
Actually I have slept in one of those, but it was far from full - if it were full, it's frighteningly intimate and there's an awful lot of noise (snoring). Fortunately in a plane the background noise would cover most of it and you have ear-plugs.
Jul 19, 2007, 5:52 am
#66
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slave ship?
it's a great concept and I had actually thought that some airline should do this for a couple of years now...but has anyone noticed the picture from the survey looks a lot like a 1700's slave ship?
Jul 19, 2007, 5:57 am
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Jul 19, 2007, 6:39 am
#68
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Having just flown the JNB-FRA-JNB route a few times lately here is my take:
LH economy is really bad so anything they can do to improve would be to benefit. Those 747 are uncomfortable and so crowded. Plus at this stage on a 11 hour flight not even getting entertainment system per seat makes LH really bad.
So beds - please yes as their C class is a pain to get last minute on this route as they are fully booked most times.
Still I rather fly South African as their economy is much better, service is 10 times better and if you fly C class you get flat beds
LH economy is really bad so anything they can do to improve would be to benefit. Those 747 are uncomfortable and so crowded. Plus at this stage on a 11 hour flight not even getting entertainment system per seat makes LH really bad.
So beds - please yes as their C class is a pain to get last minute on this route as they are fully booked most times.
Still I rather fly South African as their economy is much better, service is 10 times better and if you fly C class you get flat beds
Jul 19, 2007, 7:38 am
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1. Pax are to sit on the bottom bunk, the middle is converted into a backrest during take off/landing.
2. Food is self service in the galley.
3. Dedicated compartment for carry-on storage in the back.
4. According to the LH survey this is not to fully replace Y class. Part of the Y cabin is default LH Y and part the sleeper. Therefore grandma or people with health issues can happily choose a bit more conservative seating in standard Y.
2. Food is self service in the galley.
3. Dedicated compartment for carry-on storage in the back.
4. According to the LH survey this is not to fully replace Y class. Part of the Y cabin is default LH Y and part the sleeper. Therefore grandma or people with health issues can happily choose a bit more conservative seating in standard Y.
It could be interesting with some heavy turbulence.
Jul 19, 2007, 8:30 am
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good one ^i actually wonder what FAs would say if pax tried to snuggle with their partners. maybe they seperate by sex anyway, to make if feel like Hostel even more... and serve white toast and jam at the snack bar...
but seriously, I like the idea and could imagine goin for it. although I'd prefer if one could also book it at check-in (depending on avail. etc).
great thread btw ^ with very interesting thoughts, e.g. the temp difference top vs. bottom. LH hopefully lurks...
Jul 19, 2007, 10:01 am
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I regret that I didn't take a screenshot of the takeoff/landing config of the bunks, there was also at least one more "sleeping config" picture with the curtains on all the bunks, so that it didn't look that open 
too late now... Maybe someone else who got the survey email?
too late now... Maybe someone else who got the survey email?
Jul 19, 2007, 5:59 pm
#75
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Why not "be free to move about the cabin?"
For really long flights (> 7 hours), why not let people get up from the sleeper berth and get a token that says that they would like to switch to a sitting seat. When someone in a sitting seat wants to go to the sleeper section, he also selects that he wants a token. For hygenic reasons, people could carry their own sheets/pillows back/forth with them.
The in-flight entertainment system (or a low tech box with actual tokens) can make a match and the two can trade places for some time. The process can repeat as necessary if someone wants to get up and take naps repeatedly.
If the flight is not completely full, then even a little spare capacity would guarantee that people could pretty much walk over to the sleeper/sitting section and be sure of getting a place.
If they really want to go whole-hog, then even totally full flights could have easy access if they allow people to offer/accept money to give up their seats/bunks. Then someone can book a sleeper or seat and essentially scalp it for a while during the flight.
The in-flight entertainment system (or a low tech box with actual tokens) can make a match and the two can trade places for some time. The process can repeat as necessary if someone wants to get up and take naps repeatedly.
If the flight is not completely full, then even a little spare capacity would guarantee that people could pretty much walk over to the sleeper/sitting section and be sure of getting a place.
If they really want to go whole-hog, then even totally full flights could have easy access if they allow people to offer/accept money to give up their seats/bunks. Then someone can book a sleeper or seat and essentially scalp it for a while during the flight.