LH email survey - new economy sleeper seats
Jul 12, 2007, 6:54 pm
#31
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF Lifetime SG, LH HON, OZ Lifetime Diamond +, HH Diamond, Marriott Lifetime Platinum
Posts: 14,375
Jul 12, 2007, 10:37 pm
#32
Join Date: Jul 2007
Programs: no
Posts: 41
They stole my concept! I always had this idea that all Economy class seats should be bunk beds as in a hostel dormitory! I should have patented my idea comes from travelling too many times in cattle class! I could have made millions if LH went ahead with the concept
!!!!!!!!!
Go for it, LH. I will buy a tix on that bunk bed Y class!
!!!!!!!!!Go for it, LH. I will buy a tix on that bunk bed Y class!
Jul 12, 2007, 11:06 pm
#33
Join Date: Oct 2004
Programs: Darth Vader of AMEX, A ladys best friend of Hilton, Pt78 of SPG, *G ,*S, ANA VIP
Posts: 3,933
joke?
this is a joke right?
i mean it would be great having beds to sleep in, but its a pain if you cant sit upright for a 15hour flight..
and if you sleep and try to read , your neck will get problems after a couple of hours.
i guess i would happily pay 200euro instead of spending 3000euro for business class if i can sleep in a full flat bed in economy.
LH should get their C product lieflat before they introduce a flying hostel.
dp
i mean it would be great having beds to sleep in, but its a pain if you cant sit upright for a 15hour flight..
and if you sleep and try to read , your neck will get problems after a couple of hours.
i guess i would happily pay 200euro instead of spending 3000euro for business class if i can sleep in a full flat bed in economy.
LH should get their C product lieflat before they introduce a flying hostel.
dp
Jul 12, 2007, 11:46 pm
#34
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: MUC (home), DUS (office), XXX (customer)
Programs: LH, AB, SPG, CC, Sixt, EC
Posts: 6,334
Come on guys, we are not going to see something like that any time soon so even LH should be able to introduce and install a new biz 180° flat bed...
Also, there won't be any 15 hour flights, all the destinations named won't make any money. HNL? Bogus... SYD? too far away. What's left? nothing seriously
Especially nothing with a load for an A380. LH needs those birds for their classic longhoul routes to earn their expenses back.
Also, there won't be any 15 hour flights, all the destinations named won't make any money. HNL? Bogus... SYD? too far away. What's left? nothing seriously
Especially nothing with a load for an A380. LH needs those birds for their classic longhoul routes to earn their expenses back.
Jul 13, 2007, 1:06 am
#35
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: BTS/VIE
Programs: LH MM**, HH Silver
Posts: 2,282
One problem I see is when they need to change the configuration - lots of people must be moving about then...
The other thing is that I can't see overhead bins - but maybe that fits under the lowest bed?
Finally, can anybody estimate how many people you can squeeze in per squar metre as compared to the current Y configuration?
SmilingBoy.
The other thing is that I can't see overhead bins - but maybe that fits under the lowest bed?
Finally, can anybody estimate how many people you can squeeze in per squar metre as compared to the current Y configuration?
SmilingBoy.
The hand luggage will be stored in the back of the cabin according to the survey. And as the sleeper section should accommodate about 50 people, I'm wandering what it is going to look like when there is 50 people trying to put their hand luggage into the hold at (roughly) the same time. For your personal items (like passport etc) there should be a small compartment next to your IFE.
Jul 13, 2007, 1:23 am
#36
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
Posts: 17,008
Jul 13, 2007, 3:15 am
#38
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: A Sight For Roll Eyes
Programs: :enrolleyes:+, :drôleyes:
Posts: 5,461
Now, who's the prankster? OMG, this is one of those awkward moments when reality turns out to be worse than an intentionally stretched joke
Originally Posted by fradoc
Last but not least, the overall product has to be still below C otherwise we would see self-downgraders, so-called bunk poachers
Originally Posted by derpelikan
LH should get their C product lieflat before they introduce a flying hostel.
Jul 13, 2007, 6:55 am
#39
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: FRA
Programs: LH FTL, BA Blue, UA Corpse
Posts: 1,423
[...] About 2.5 years ago I got a similar e-mail asking for my opinion about potential in-flight changes, especially on long-haul overnighters. Same questions, went like:"Would you prefer a "sleeper" night flight or a "full service" night flight"? Seems like 2.5 years later they finally managed to draw the picture
Jul 13, 2007, 8:41 am
#40
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: A Sight For Roll Eyes
Programs: :enrolleyes:+, :drôleyes:
Posts: 5,461
Is it yellow?
Actually, who knows... It's been already 2.5 years back since I completed the survey and as you guys know, I've definitely had my fair share of LH Y in the not-so-distant past, which certainly might have been detectable in my profile
Actually, who knows... It's been already 2.5 years back since I completed the survey and as you guys know, I've definitely had my fair share of LH Y in the not-so-distant past, which certainly might have been detectable in my profile
Jul 13, 2007, 11:50 am
#41
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: FRA
Programs: LH FTL, BA Blue, UA Corpse
Posts: 1,423
...
Jul 13, 2007, 12:13 pm
#42
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: From and of Boston.
Posts: 4,973
I cannot believe those who say that this scheme is unworkable!!
The configuration is nearly identical in concept to the couchettes that for years and years were popular on European long-distance trains. (Maybe they still exist, but the fast trains and cheap air fares put an end to many of the couchette routes.) During the day, you'd be sitting 3-across on a bench-type seat. At night, the porter (or in this case, FA) converts the configuration into 3 beds. Obviously, old people (for example, those who remember traveling around Europe sleeping in $10/night couchettes instead of $40/night 1-star hotel rooms) would get the lower bed.
The configuration is nearly identical in concept to the couchettes that for years and years were popular on European long-distance trains. (Maybe they still exist, but the fast trains and cheap air fares put an end to many of the couchette routes.) During the day, you'd be sitting 3-across on a bench-type seat. At night, the porter (or in this case, FA) converts the configuration into 3 beds. Obviously, old people (for example, those who remember traveling around Europe sleeping in $10/night couchettes instead of $40/night 1-star hotel rooms) would get the lower bed.
Jul 13, 2007, 12:48 pm
#43
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: FRA
Programs: LH FTL, BA Blue, UA Corpse
Posts: 1,423
I cannot believe those who say that this scheme is unworkable!!
The configuration is nearly identical in concept to the couchettes that for years and years were popular on European long-distance trains. (Maybe they still exist, but the fast trains and cheap air fares put an end to many of the couchette routes.) During the day, you'd be sitting 3-across on a bench-type seat. At night, the porter (or in this case, FA) converts the configuration into 3 beds. Obviously, old people (for example, those who remember traveling around Europe sleeping in $10/night couchettes instead of $40/night 1-star hotel rooms) would get the lower bed.
The configuration is nearly identical in concept to the couchettes that for years and years were popular on European long-distance trains. (Maybe they still exist, but the fast trains and cheap air fares put an end to many of the couchette routes.) During the day, you'd be sitting 3-across on a bench-type seat. At night, the porter (or in this case, FA) converts the configuration into 3 beds. Obviously, old people (for example, those who remember traveling around Europe sleeping in $10/night couchettes instead of $40/night 1-star hotel rooms) would get the lower bed.
- couchettes (or sleepers, the C and F equivalent) could be used flexibly: if there is high demand, an additional one will be added to the train.
- there is some tendency of couchettes being less accepted. Those who want to take the night train and like to travel comfortable use the sleeper, those who do not spend too much €€€, sit. Different approaches of the railway/service companies creating special rest areas (sleeper seats, bunk-style beds etc. have not been accepted by the price-sensitive clientele)
- of course probable demand on a 15h flight may be different and for a FTer with C fares in mind €200 appear a bargain for 180° (exactly € 2.99 per degree *as opposed to €50 in C
), however the price-sensitive Y clientele maybe think different. Hence the detailed survey.----
* for bean counters: I meant additional degrees of recline compared to the Y seat (23°). For the C tix add € 3000 at max a recline of 83°
Jul 13, 2007, 2:38 pm
#44
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: BTS/VIE
Programs: LH MM**, HH Silver
Posts: 2,282
...for a FTer with C fares in mind €200 appear a bargain for 180° (exactly € 2.99 per degree *as opposed to €50 in C), however the price-sensitive Y clientele maybe think different. Hence the detailed survey.
----
* for bean counters: I meant additional degrees of recline compared to the Y seat (23°). For the C tix add € 3000 at max a recline of 83°
), however the price-sensitive Y clientele maybe think different. Hence the detailed survey.----
* for bean counters: I meant additional degrees of recline compared to the Y seat (23°). For the C tix add € 3000 at max a recline of 83°
Jul 13, 2007, 3:34 pm
#45
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: FRA
Programs: LH FTL, BA Blue, UA Corpse
Posts: 1,423
