Lufthansa - upcoming strikes? [Meta discussion of strikes]
Jan 31, 2024, 3:49 pm
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Lufthansa - upcoming strikes? [Meta discussion of strikes]
Good evening,
Do you think there are upcoming strikes involving Lufthansa Group/German airports in March?
I've a flight booked via Frankfurt for the middle of March and I'm quite concerned about it.
Many thanks
Do you think there are upcoming strikes involving Lufthansa Group/German airports in March?
I've a flight booked via Frankfurt for the middle of March and I'm quite concerned about it.
Many thanks
Jan 31, 2024, 3:51 pm
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I'm flying via Frankfurt (with LH) in March. Do you think there will be other strikes during that period?
If there are cancellations, is it necessary to accept the rebooking or is it possible to request a refund if the cancellation is due to strike?
Thank you.
If there are cancellations, is it necessary to accept the rebooking or is it possible to request a refund if the cancellation is due to strike?
Thank you.
Jan 31, 2024, 10:39 pm
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Logically, if the Unions do not get what they want from this round of strikes, they will continue….
Feb 1, 2024, 1:38 am
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Notification of strikes
Flying in 14 days EDI-FRA-EZE so getting a little nervous about the situation. Do unions in Germany have to give 14 days notice of strike action as they do in the UK? I would then be able to breathe a little easier tomorrow if they do.
As FRA would be the main problem what are the likely rebooking scenarios- for example although it’s far less convenient could I ask for a BA rebooking or am I restricted to Star Alliance or what?
As FRA would be the main problem what are the likely rebooking scenarios- for example although it’s far less convenient could I ask for a BA rebooking or am I restricted to Star Alliance or what?
Feb 1, 2024, 1:42 am
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Not too long ago, i had LH/LX rebooked to BA, even 1x managed to rebooked to VS. And BA did the other way too .. rebooked to LX for example … but that was not due to strike, .. it was either cancellation, or missed connection due to delays.
Feb 1, 2024, 6:12 am
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If your itinerary goes through FRA but from outside the Community to outside the Comminuty, i.e. USA-Frankfurt-India, then you are not protected by EU261/2004, but I can't imagine LH will not refund you (however compensation is out of the question even if cancelled for a compensable reason)
Feb 1, 2024, 6:14 am
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Under EU261/2004 you are able to request a refund when cancellation is for any reason. Only compensation is limited.
If your itinerary goes through FRA but from outside the Community to outside the Comminuty, i.e. USA-Frankfurt-India, then you are not protected by EU261/2004, but I can't imagine LH will not refund you (however compensation is out of the question even if cancelled for a compensable reason)
If your itinerary goes through FRA but from outside the Community to outside the Comminuty, i.e. USA-Frankfurt-India, then you are not protected by EU261/2004, but I can't imagine LH will not refund you (however compensation is out of the question even if cancelled for a compensable reason)
EU law is always applicable if the carrier is a EU carries so refund needs to be given. If the airlines isn't a EU airline, EU passenger protection law isn't applicable if the flight arrives from a non EU destination. As to the compensation, I think strike is under extraordinary circumstances?
However, if it's a wildcat strike, caselaw says that compensation is due.
As to the person above who is flying in two weeks, it's unlikely any strike will take place. The notice that must be given is a week. Negotiations are resuming on the 6th of Feb.
Feb 1, 2024, 6:29 am
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However this is not applicable because it's not airline staff striking.
Feb 1, 2024, 6:33 am
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But, you say you travel with LH. And LH is a Community carrier, so flights inbound to EU count.
Depends on who is striking. Security union strike is outside of airline control and therefore exempt from compensation.
Only if it's airline staff or airline subsidiary staff who's striking. The case you refer to was to decide whether a wildcat strike within the airline was still considered within resonable control of the airline. The judgement was that yes, it was.
However this is not applicable because it's not airline staff striking.
Depends on who is striking. Security union strike is outside of airline control and therefore exempt from compensation.
Only if it's airline staff or airline subsidiary staff who's striking. The case you refer to was to decide whether a wildcat strike within the airline was still considered within resonable control of the airline. The judgement was that yes, it was.
However this is not applicable because it's not airline staff striking.
Feb 1, 2024, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by ECJ
In the light of all the foregoing considerations, the answer to the first question is that Article 3(1) of Regulation No 261/2004 must be interpreted as meaning that that regulation is not applicable to a flight with a connecting flight, booked under a single booking but consisting of two flights, both of which are operated by a Community air carrier, if both the departure airport of the first flight and the arrival airport of the second flight are in the territory of a third country and only the airport where the stopover takes place is in the territory of a Member State.
Feb 1, 2024, 7:16 am
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If you have a non-Community carrier, you have to be departing from the Community (EU+some others). This is not the case as LH is a community carrier.
If you have a Community carrier, including LH, you have to be departing from the Community or arriving into Community. For example, YYZ-FRA-CDG is covered if with LH.
If YYZ-FRA were with AC, this leg is not covered, only FRA-CDG (LH) is.
But even if you have a Community carrier like LH, you are not covered if you depart and arrive outside Community and only transfer in FRA. For example YYZ-FRA-SIN is not covered regardless if you flew LH all the way, or say AC+SQ.
Feb 1, 2024, 7:46 am
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I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with now.
If you have a non-Community carrier, you have to be departing from the Community (EU+some others). This is not the case as LH is a community carrier.
If you have a Community carrier, including LH, you have to be departing from the Community or arriving into Community. For example, YYZ-FRA-CDG is covered if with LH.
If YYZ-FRA were with AC, this leg is not covered, only FRA-CDG (LH) is.
But even if you have a Community carrier like LH, you are not covered if you depart and arrive outside Community and only transfer in FRA. For example YYZ-FRA-SIN is not covered regardless if you flew LH all the way, or say AC+SQ.
If you have a non-Community carrier, you have to be departing from the Community (EU+some others). This is not the case as LH is a community carrier.
If you have a Community carrier, including LH, you have to be departing from the Community or arriving into Community. For example, YYZ-FRA-CDG is covered if with LH.
If YYZ-FRA were with AC, this leg is not covered, only FRA-CDG (LH) is.
But even if you have a Community carrier like LH, you are not covered if you depart and arrive outside Community and only transfer in FRA. For example YYZ-FRA-SIN is not covered regardless if you flew LH all the way, or say AC+SQ.
Feb 1, 2024, 8:05 am
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The authors don't specify it. However, I believe that according to the caselaw EU261 doesn't cover non EU to non EU flights via a EU member state even with a community carrier.
What the regulation covers is flights from the EU with a layover in a third country even if operated by a non EU carrier.
What the regulation covers is flights from the EU with a layover in a third country even if operated by a non EU carrier.
Mar 6, 2024, 7:32 am
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