M&M award F to J downgrade (change of equipment)
#1
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M&M award F to J downgrade (change of equipment)
Hi all,
Booked 2 tickets one-way VIE-MUC-BOS in LH F for May 2023 travel a few months ago. 182K M&M points + taxes. No M&M status and points were expiring.
Just got notified of a equipment change for MUC-BOS as LH is no longer operating F to BOS (either from FRA or MUC). Obviously I can either cancel or downgrade and get my miles back, but I want to fly F. Knowing how unhelpful the M&M phone agents are, my assumption is that they will not re-accomodate me to EWR or JFK unless there are 2 F seats available for awards. I also assume they won't put me on LX ZRH-BOS given I don't have M&M Senator status.
Both correct assumptions? I will call on Monday but I get so frustrated whenever I work with the M&M call center, I wanted to sanity test here first. Is asking for them to open up space on MUC/FRA-EWR a non-starter?
Booked 2 tickets one-way VIE-MUC-BOS in LH F for May 2023 travel a few months ago. 182K M&M points + taxes. No M&M status and points were expiring.
Just got notified of a equipment change for MUC-BOS as LH is no longer operating F to BOS (either from FRA or MUC). Obviously I can either cancel or downgrade and get my miles back, but I want to fly F. Knowing how unhelpful the M&M phone agents are, my assumption is that they will not re-accomodate me to EWR or JFK unless there are 2 F seats available for awards. I also assume they won't put me on LX ZRH-BOS given I don't have M&M Senator status.
Both correct assumptions? I will call on Monday but I get so frustrated whenever I work with the M&M call center, I wanted to sanity test here first. Is asking for them to open up space on MUC/FRA-EWR a non-starter?
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I hardly believe that! Was effected by the same downgrade MUC-JFK-MUC in March/April. For both flights it was only possible to change as long as M&M awards in O are available and that was not possible on the outbound flight. So I could change the inbound to JFK-ZRH, but only because O was available. For outbound still no availability. Even HON status didn‘t help.
#5
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I hardly believe that! Was effected by the same downgrade MUC-JFK-MUC in March/April. For both flights it was only possible to change as long as M&M awards in O are available and that was not possible on the outbound flight. So I could change the inbound to JFK-ZRH, but only because O was available. For outbound still no availability. Even HON status didn‘t help.
#6
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First hand experience:
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
Last edited by Unterwegs; Oct 26, 2022 at 9:27 am
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First hand experience:
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
#8
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,731
First hand experience:
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
2 award tickets in First via MUC.
Email from LH: Reservation has changed. Now c.
Found out: Equipment change from 340-600 to 350, no F.
No award space available around my flight date.
Called regular SEN line. Agent asked what my preference is. Told him either via FRA or ZRH in F.
He rebooked me via FRA.
No problem/issue at all.
#9
Join Date: May 2007
Programs: UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 5,454
They seem to have pulled the 346 from all MUC-US routes during next year's summer schedule. Hopefully it's just an interim measure while they figure out where to fly the 346s, but seems odd to change the aircraft type and have to downgrade already booked pax, rather than keeping the 346 on the schedule and zeroing out F from any new bookings.
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An absolute miracle. Thank you for the suggestion to call the LH F hotline. Called and requested to be moved to FRA-EWR in F given the downgrade. First was told no because of no award availability by a very kind lady. I asked her to check with her supervisor to open up award space given I was downgraded, and 10 minutes later I was confirmed on VIE-FRA-EWR in F for the same day of travel.
EDIT: Just noticed they re-booked in revenue classes as well.
EDIT: Just noticed they re-booked in revenue classes as well.
Last edited by callmedtop; Nov 23, 2022 at 8:06 am
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Hi all,
Booked 2 tickets one-way VIE-MUC-BOS in LH F for May 2023 travel a few months ago. 182K M&M points + taxes. No M&M status and points were expiring.
Just got notified of a equipment change for MUC-BOS as LH is no longer operating F to BOS (either from FRA or MUC). Obviously I can either cancel or downgrade and get my miles back, but I want to fly F. Knowing how unhelpful the M&M phone agents are, my assumption is that they will not re-accomodate me to EWR or JFK unless there are 2 F seats available for awards. I also assume they won't put me on LX ZRH-BOS given I don't have M&M Senator status.
Both correct assumptions? I will call on Monday but I get so frustrated whenever I work with the M&M call center, I wanted to sanity test here first. Is asking for them to open up space on MUC/FRA-EWR a non-starter?
Booked 2 tickets one-way VIE-MUC-BOS in LH F for May 2023 travel a few months ago. 182K M&M points + taxes. No M&M status and points were expiring.
Just got notified of a equipment change for MUC-BOS as LH is no longer operating F to BOS (either from FRA or MUC). Obviously I can either cancel or downgrade and get my miles back, but I want to fly F. Knowing how unhelpful the M&M phone agents are, my assumption is that they will not re-accomodate me to EWR or JFK unless there are 2 F seats available for awards. I also assume they won't put me on LX ZRH-BOS given I don't have M&M Senator status.
Both correct assumptions? I will call on Monday but I get so frustrated whenever I work with the M&M call center, I wanted to sanity test here first. Is asking for them to open up space on MUC/FRA-EWR a non-starter?
How does LH think they can advertise a route when every week there is a different equipment . Btw ... in my cases when I had a downgrade issue ... zippo chance since I am booking on a 016 ticket Glad they can be flexible on 220 tickets.