City Airlines: New AOC for short- and medium Haul A320 ops ex MUC/FRA starting S24
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City Airlines: New AOC for short- and medium Haul A320 ops ex MUC/FRA starting S24
After closing the Germanwings/4U AOC recently LH will start a new airline with a new pilot payment scheme similar to CLH (who has a scope clause (AFAIR <150 seats):
At the beginning of March, the establishment of a new short-haul flight operations platform in the Lufthansa Group was already announced. The establishment of this short-haul flight operation in a new company is intended to contribute to the further development of the Lufthansa hub system at the Munich and Frankfurt am Main hubs. It also offers employment perspectives for Germanwings pilots and future prospects for Lufthansa CityLine, thus securing jobs in Germany. The formation of the new company was initiated at the beginning of April. In addition to the entry in the commercial register, the process for operating approval at the German Federal Aviation Authority (LBA) was officially started. The schedule envisages approval and commencement of flight operations with an A320 fleet in spring 2023. Lufthansa CityLine is responsible for the project.
Foundation of a new flight operations platform initiated within the Lufthansa Group
Project to be implemented jointly with Lufthansa CityLineAt the beginning of March, the establishment of a new short-haul flight operations platform in the Lufthansa Group was already announced. The establishment of this short-haul flight operation in a new company is intended to contribute to the further development of the Lufthansa hub system at the Munich and Frankfurt am Main hubs. It also offers employment perspectives for Germanwings pilots and future prospects for Lufthansa CityLine, thus securing jobs in Germany. The formation of the new company was initiated at the beginning of April. In addition to the entry in the commercial register, the process for operating approval at the German Federal Aviation Authority (LBA) was officially started. The schedule envisages approval and commencement of flight operations with an A320 fleet in spring 2023. Lufthansa CityLine is responsible for the project.
The Executive Board has decided that Lufthansa Group will establish another airline. In an interview with One, Harry Hohmeister, Chief Commercial Passenger Airlines Officer, and Michael Niggemann, Chief Human Resources and Legal Officer, provide insight into why a new airline is necessary.
What will the new flight operation look like?
Harry Hohmeister: The concept envisages the establishment of an airline with its own German AOC (air operator’s certificate). This new airline is to provide domestic and European services for the Frankfurt and Munich hubs in the same way as Lufthansa CityLine. It will therefore serve short and medium-haul routes.Why is this decision to launch a new flight operation coming now?
Michael Niggemann: We are working flat out to offer Germanwings pilots employment in other Lufthansa Group flight operations. This is because pilots there are directly threatened with dismissal. Since we have not yet reached a collective bargaining solution with the pilots union, Vereinigung Cockpit, and time is pressing, we must find another way to create employment prospects for the Germanwings pilots. In our responsibility for all employees, we also want to and will offer a solution that also creates a perspective for the colleagues at CityLine.Why do CityLine pilots also need a perspective?
Michael Niggemann: Because we have not yet been able to conclude a follow-up agreement with the Vereinigung Cockpit for the perspective agreement (PPV), CityLine also lacks perspective employment opportunities. This is because we would revert to the old Group collective bargaining agreement (KTV), and then the so-called “scope clause” would apply to CityLine. This would mean that it would no longer be allowed for CityLine to operate A320s in passenger traffic.When will the airline be established? When will the first aircraft fly?
Harry Hohmeister: The Board of Directors made a final decision on the establishment this week. The details are currently being worked out. The airline is to be set up as leanly and flexibly as possible and worked out in cooperation with CityLine. It will take some time to set up this airline; for example, it will take until all licensing issues have been clarified. Accordingly, the first aircraft could probably take off in 2023.What ideas are there for managing the cabin?
Michael Niggemann: Cabin management still has to be defined. We will start talks with the social partners on this. One thing is clear: the change will not happen overnight. Of course, we are also taking into account the personnel situation in the cabin at Lufthansa Airlines.Why is the Lufthansa Group founding a new airline when, in parallel, the Lufthansa Group is discontinuing an airline with Germanwings that already had more favorable cost structures?
Harry Hohmeister: Even before the Corona pandemic, Germanwings flight operations were not profitable. That is why passenger flight operations were discontinued. The new airline must have a cost base that can compete.Last edited by oliver2002; Dec 13, 2023 at 2:42 am
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Lets see:
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
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Lets see:
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
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Its because the A32S flight crew is paid via the KTV, the pay agreement between all manline pilots and Lufthansa. CLH has lower pay (different agreement) but a scope clause, so they can only fly CR9/E19x/A319. E2 & EW have a different agreement structure. 4U was in the KTV.
Longterm LH wants to pay A32S crews wages similar to CLH or EW and not the higher LH Mainline wages. Hence the new AOC for the LH A32S fleet based in FRA/MUC.
Longterm LH wants to pay A32S crews wages similar to CLH or EW and not the higher LH Mainline wages. Hence the new AOC for the LH A32S fleet based in FRA/MUC.
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Lets see:
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
EW, EE, 4Y, LH, CLH, EN, OS, LX, SN
This would indeed by the 10th.
Recent AOC deaths were:
4U: killed because pilots earned LH salaries
XG: TK and LH decided to have only one Sunexpress AOC
VO: used to remove all OS legacy contracts
Swiss Global: ditto for Swiss
They have 3 AOCs just for Eurowings. 4 if we count Germanwings still. And until recently there was also Walter.
I'm thinking similar things as hugolover. IMO pushing A318 under CLH scope is already skirting the rules. This is outright just replacement.
btw. is Cargo under the same AOC? There's another one. And AeroLogic, if we count it - 50% LH.
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City will do A320s in MUC (and 319s and 321s presumably?) that leaves Lufthansa proper with A320 family in Frankfurt, except for some, but not all, A319s, which fall under Cityline.
Clear as mud.