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chris63 Nov 10, 2019 10:43 am


Originally Posted by Raul_R (Post 31721360)
Not only that. Also several rebookings although I reached my final destination already days ago :D
Famous IT!

Your completely wrong.... you mean infamous IT :D

oliver2002 Nov 12, 2019 6:09 am

In the end about 1400 flights were cancelled last week:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0022413590.png

chris63 Nov 12, 2019 8:21 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31728187)
In the end about 1400 flights were cancelled last week:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0022413590.png

Yes, that’s awful

Any news on how the talks are going ?

oliver2002 Nov 12, 2019 9:12 am

LH and the three unions have just announced that they will go for mediation to resolve any of their conflicts. This means no further strikes in the mediation phase.

hugolover Nov 12, 2019 9:14 am

I submitted my hotel claims today. Was a total of £150 for overnight hotel and dinner and breakfast plus bus tickets.

chris63 Nov 12, 2019 9:18 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31728833)
LH and the three unions have just announced that they will go for mediation to resolve any of their conflicts. This means no further strikes in the mediation phase.

Great, thanks for that bit of good news, any idea of timescale for this process ?

oliver2002 Nov 20, 2019 2:24 am

LH & UFO called off the truce again, mediation only on the smaller topics: https://app.handelsblatt.com/wirtsch...CUABkKC3ol-ap3

mikkelhk Nov 20, 2019 2:41 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31757026)
LH & UFO called off the truce again, mediation only on the smaller topics: https://app.handelsblatt.com/wirtsch...CUABkKC3ol-ap3

So more strikes could be expected? We're flying BLL-FRA-MIA next Saturday (and back from MIA on December 8), and during the last strike, LH462/LH463 got cancelled on both strike days. Furthermore, it's the Thanksgiving weekend, so most other flights are already very fully booked. Should we be concerned? I know that being concerned 1½ week in advance doesn't really help anyone, but being affected by two strikes in the same month would obviously be very frustrating.

chris63 Nov 20, 2019 2:48 am

Not good, so UFO say further strikes are possible :rolleyes:

oliver2002 Nov 20, 2019 3:24 am

UFO and LH are still in mediation, but on the smaller topics, not the bigger topics. So no strikes while in mediation still holds.

jpezaris Nov 21, 2019 9:20 am

My flight on Nov 8, ex FRA, was cancelled due to the UFO strike. My itinerary was rebooked via LX and my eventual arrival delayed about 8 hours. While I'm happy to have arrived safely at my destination, the delay impacted my family's plans for that weekend, and I understand that LH is trying not to pay under EC261/2004.

Despite finding an excellent resource in https://www.godsavethepoints.com/luf...ation-details/ regarding compensation, and the suggestion that the German decision on Helga Krüsemann and Others v TUIfly GmbH (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...%3A62017CJ0195) is applicable, LH has denied my claim for EUR 600 compensation under EC261/2004 that was placed through their normal customer service email. They claim force majeure, and repeatedly say that the circumstances were beyond their control. The cited law suggests otherwise.

What's the next step in obtaining compensation?

fransknorge Nov 21, 2019 10:26 am

Contact one of the company that can do it on your behalf. They work on a no-win no-fee basis so nothing to lose. Make sure to put forward the relevant jurisprudence.
Alternatively contact your lawyer.

thbe Nov 21, 2019 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by jpezaris (Post 31762166)
Despite finding an excellent resource in https://www.godsavethepoints.com/luf...ation-details/ regarding compensation, and the suggestion that the German decision on Helga Krüsemann and Others v TUIfly GmbH (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...%3A62017CJ0195) is applicable, LH has denied my claim under EC261/2004 for EUR 600 compensation for the flight which was over 3500 km that was placed through their normal customer service email. They claim force majeure, and repeatedly say that the circumstances were beyond their control. The cited law suggests otherwise.

The Helga Krüsemann ./. TUIfy was about a "wildcat strike". The UFO strike wasn't a "wildcat strike", but a "warning strike". A "warning strike" isn't a "wildcat strike", even if it's a last minute strike as well.

jpezaris Nov 21, 2019 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by thbe (Post 31762948)
The Helga Krüsemann ./. TUIfy was about a "wildcat strike". The UFO strike wasn't a "wildcat strike", but a "warning strike". A "warning strike" isn't a "wildcat strike", even if it's a last minute strike as well.

I believe the argument is that if a wildcat strike by LH employees is considered under the control of LH, an announced strike should be even farther away from the force majeure claimed by LH, and even less of extraordinary circumstances. If there is additional case law that would help, I certainly would appreciate learning about it.

thbe Nov 21, 2019 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by jpezaris (Post 31763150)
I believe the argument is that if a wildcat strike by LH employees is considered under the control of LH, an announced strike should be even farther away from the force majeure claimed by LH, and even less of extraordinary circumstances. If there is additional case law that would help, I certainly would appreciate learning about it.

Unfortunately not. In general, a strike means force majeure or extraordinary circumstances. There are a few exceptions, like wildcat strikes, cancellations before and after the official strike period. But a cancelation on a day of an announced strike is seen as force majeure and extraordinary circumstances.


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