Lufthansa 1 + 1 = 2 or maybe 3?

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Old Dec 19, 14, 1:29 am
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Lufthansa 1 + 1 = 2 or maybe 3?

Just an observation.

I need to fly a round trip JFK to LEJ (Leipzig, Germany) on 3/30/2015 and return on 4/22/2015. There are no direct flights from JFK to LEJ. Flights go through FRA. I want the JFK-FRA leg to be in the business cabin and and the second leg from FRA to LEJ in coach both ways.

If I book online using the LH site or Vayama.com site one round trip JFK-LEJ costs $4,300 where the long leg is in business the short leg in coach.

If I book two separate trips, the long leg in business costs $2,973 and short leg in coach costs $164, total $3,137, over $1,000 less then the first option.

one plus one equals three!!
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Old Dec 19, 14, 6:26 am
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Did you check business class all the way?
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Old Dec 19, 14, 7:42 am
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No, I was not checking business class all the way.
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Old Dec 19, 14, 11:42 am
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Well the poster above suggested you do it and see if there's a price difference
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Old Dec 19, 14, 12:12 pm
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All in P:

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LAST TKT DTE 22DEC14 - SEE ADV PURCHASE                                         
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     AL FLGT  BK T DATE  TIME  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA   BG                    
 NYC                                                                            
XFRA LH   405 P  P 30MAR 2155  P1NC90E         30MAR30MAR 2P                    
 LEJ LH   158 P  P 31MAR 1325  P1NC90E         31MAR31MAR 2P                    
XFRA LH   157 P  P 22APR 0605  P1NC90E         22APR22APR 2P                    
 NYC LH   400 P  P 22APR 1050  P1NC90E         22APR22APR 2P                    
                                                                                
USD  3994.00      30MAR15NYC LH X/FRA LH LEJ1997.00LH X/FRA                     
                  LH NYC1997.00NUC3994.00END ROE1.000000                        
USD   856.00YQ    XT USD 17.50US USD 17.50US USD 5.00XA USD                     
USD     5.50YC    7.00XY USD 5.60AY USD 52.46OY USD 26.16DE                     
USD   205.11XT    USD 26.36RA USD 43.03RD USD 4.50XF JFK4.50                    
USD  5060.61                                                                    
BG CXR: LH                                                                      
PRICED WITH VALIDATING CARRIER LH - REPRICE IF DIFFERENT VC                     
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Interesting fares offered on this route, I like the N (premium eco) on the night fligt, S (regular eco) on the day flight:

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 * FARE BASIS *  DISC    *  PSGR      * FARE<USD>  * MSG  *T                    
01 P8NC50E    *          * P1         *   5760.61  *      *Y                    
02 P1NC90E    *          * P1         *   5060.61  *      *Y                    
03 B2E        *          * P1         *   4684.61  *      *Y                    
04 PXRC3N+P1* *          * P1         *   4793.61  *      *Y                    
05 B1FFE+E00* *          * P1         *   4284.61  *      *Y                    
06 PXRC3N+Y77 *          * P1         *   4526.61  *      *Y                    
07 E00FFE     *          * P1         *   4070.61  *      *Y                    
08 KKXNC3N+Y* *          * P1         *   2038.61  *      *Y                    
09 NKX46NCE+* *          * P1         *   1596.61  *      *Y                    
10 QKX36RCE+* *          * P1         *   1536.61  *      *Y                    
11 SKX47NCE   *          * P1         *   1376.61  *      *Y                    
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09 NKX46NCE+* *          * P1         *   1596.61  *RB    *Y                    
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     AL FLGT  BK T DATE  TIME  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA   BG                    
 NYC                                                                            
XFRA LH   405 N *N 30MAR 2155  NKX46NCE        30MAR30MAR 2P                    
 LEJ LH   158 Y *Y 31MAR 1325  NKX46NCE        31MAR31MAR 2P                    
XFRA LH   157 S *S 22APR 0605  SKX47NCE        22APR22APR 1P                    
 NYC LH   400 S *S 22APR 1050  SKX47NCE        22APR22APR 1P                    
                                                                                
USD   870.00      30MAR15NYC LH X/FRA LH LEJ545.00LH X/FRA                      
                  LH NYC325.00NUC870.00END ROE1.000000                          
USD   516.00YQ    XT USD 17.50US USD 17.50US USD 5.00XA USD                     
USD     5.50YC    7.00XY USD 5.60AY USD 52.46OY USD 26.16DE                     
USD   205.11XT    USD 26.36RA USD 43.03RD USD 4.50XF JFK4.50                    
USD  1596.61                                                                    
BG CXR: LH                                                                      
PRICED WITH VALIDATING CARRIER LH - REPRICE IF DIFFERENT VC                     
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Pure N fare:
Code:
                                                                               
13 NKX46NCE   *          * 1          *   1816.61  *RB    *Y                    
                                                                                
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     AL FLGT  BK T DATE  TIME  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA   BG                    
 NYC                                                                            
XFRA LH   405 N  N 30MAR 2155  NKX46NCE        30MAR30MAR 2P                    
 LEJ LH   158 Y  Y 31MAR 1325  NKX46NCE        31MAR31MAR 2P                    
XFRA LH   157 Y  Y 22APR 0605  NKX46NCE        22APR22APR 2P                    
 NYC LH   400 N  N 22APR 1050  NKX46NCE        22APR22APR 2P                    
                                                                                
USD  1090.00      30MAR15NYC LH X/FRA LH LEJ545.00LH X/FRA                      
                  LH NYC545.00NUC1090.00END ROE1.000000                         
USD   516.00YQ    XT USD 17.50US USD 17.50US USD 5.00XA USD                     
USD     5.50YC    7.00XY USD 5.60AY USD 52.46OY USD 26.16DE                     
USD   205.11XT    USD 26.36RA USD 43.03RD USD 4.50XF JFK4.50                    
USD  1816.61                                                                    
BG CXR: LH                                                                      
PRICED WITH VALIDATING CARRIER LH - REPRICE IF DIFFERENT VC                     
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Just JFK-FRA in P:

Code:
  1  LH 405 P 30MAR 1 JFKFRA HK1       1  2155 1135+1 74H E 0 M                 
     SEC FLT PSGR DATA REQUIRED 72 HBD SSR DOCS                                 
     US LAW SEE GGAIRLH PNR ACCESS OR NEWS KEYWORDS                             
     ESTA REQUIRED FOR VISA WAIVER NATIONALS                                    
     SEE RTSVC                                                                  
  2  LH 400 P 22APR 3 FRAJFK HK1       1  1050 1325   388 E 0 M                 
     SEC FLT PSGR DATA REQUIRED 72 HBD SSR DOCS                                 
     US LAW SEE GGAIRLH PNR ACCESS OR NEWS KEYWORDS                             
     ESTA REQUIRED FOR VISA WAIVER NATIONALS                                    
     SEE RTSVC                                                                  
>fxa/r,nyc
FXA/R,NYC                                                                       
                                                                                
 * FARE BASIS *  DISC    *  PSGR      * FARE<USD>  * MSG  *T                    
01 P8NC50E    *          * P1         *   5716.88  *      *Y                    
02 GR1+B2E    *          * P1         *   5046.88  *      *Y                    
03 YR1+B2E    *          * P1         *   4922.88  *      *Y                    
04 KKXNC3N+Q* *          * P1         *   5050.88  *      *Y                    
05 B2E        *          * P1         *   4640.88  *      *Y                    
06 P1NC90E+P* *          * P1         *   3994.88  *      *Y                    
07 B1FFE+PXR* *          * P1         *   3713.88  *      *Y                    
08 E00FFE+PX* *          * P1         *   3549.88  *      *Y                    
09 PXRC3N     *          * P1         *   2972.88  *      *Y                    
10 NKX46NCE+* *          * P1         *   1393.88  *      *Y                    
11 QKX36RCE+* *          * P1         *   1293.88  *      *Y                    
12 SKX47NCE+* *          * P1         *   1133.88  *      *Y                    
13 KKXNC3N    *          * P1         *    934.88  *      *Y                    
*2*FARE VALID FOR E TICKET ONLY                                                 
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Interesting even though LH 401 and 405 are wide open, the LEJ feeder is only available in K&L when MSC applies with the JFK flight. If you delink the segments to get a cheaper feeder in Y the LH 400 feeder is only available in V so you have to fly the later 404 in L.

Which costs 164EUR. But it can only be done in one PNR with two tickets if you use a TA

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FQQ1                                                                            
                                                                                
01 LNC201D1   *          * P1         *    164.47  *      *Y                    
NO REBOOKING REQUIRED FOR LOWEST AVAILABLE FARE                                 
LAST TKT DTE 20DEC14 - SEE ADV PURCHASE                                         
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     AL FLGT  BK T DATE  TIME  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA   BG                    
 FRA                                                                            
 LEJ LH   158 L  L 31MAR 1325  LNC201D1        31MAR31MAR 1P                    
 FRA LH   161 L  L 22APR 1045  LNC201D1        22APR22APR 1P                    
                                                                                
EUR    46.00      31MAR15FRA LH LEJ23.00LH FRA23.00EUR46.00                     
                  END                                                           
EUR    38.00YQ    XT EUR 15.22DE EUR 47.39RD                                    
EUR    17.86OY                                                                  
EUR    62.61XT                                                                  
EUR   164.47                                                                    
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BG CXR: LH/LH                                                                   
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Old Dec 20, 14, 8:47 pm
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That's because the JFK-any_big_city routes are very competitive whereas nothing flies to Leipzig. It's a super tiny airport.

I'd strongly recommend driving from FRA. One of the nicest Autobahn systems on the planet and you can give a lot of lead foot. Plus you don't depend on the spares airline schedule.
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Old Dec 21, 14, 3:14 am
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Take a look at fares into TXL and take the high speed train to Leipzig, cheap, fast, convenient
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Old Dec 21, 14, 3:58 pm
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Well, if you like visiting relatively 'small' airports (still well over 2 million visitors each year) and if connection time would be sufficient to clear customs and immigration and to check your stuff in again, then why not cut the booking in two pieces? Train ain't exactly cheap in Germany, neither is car rental. And Germany from above is actually quite a nice view.

I totally agree with you about the strange pricing policy: I would expect two separate tickets to be more expensive than one containing all.
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Old Dec 22, 14, 10:59 am
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Originally Posted by FD1971 View Post
Take a look at fares into TXL and take the high speed train to Leipzig, cheap, fast, convenient
No need to go to TXL.

Just fly to FRA and take the train (ICE high speed train) directly from the airport to Leipzig.
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