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Old Sep 10, 2014, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs
In a GmbH the owner has more rights compared to an AG. For a subsidary a GmbH has some advantages. Very easy to change from a GmbH to an AG. As long as there are no immediate plans to change the ownership structure the GmbH makes more sense.
Thanks for the information and explanation ^ Always great to learn something on FT Makes sense!

Originally Posted by Traveloguy
Firstly just to remind you that there is no 'u' in Qantas, however I want to draw your attention to a recent press statement which was posted on FT (to all FF members) where QF has confirmed that it won't be spinning off its frequent flyer programme.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23436700-post24.html
Sorry for the spelling mistake Also thanks for the link to the press release. However, this refers to something different because as far as I know (please correct me if I am wrong) the frequently program is already a spin off as part of Qantas Loyalty but 100% owned by Qantas, similarly to the structure now chosen by LH Group. The spin off you refer to were plans to sell parts or even 100% of Qantas to external investors. This was already discussed back in 2008 and it seems that Qantas Group as decided against this move, at least for now.
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Old Oct 16, 2014, 5:25 am
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Some internal news from the M&M restructuring:

New milestone reached
Lufthansa bundles awards business in Miles & More GmbH
Latest news from the Miles & More program: activities of Miles & More International
GmbH and the Miles & More awards business are now being managed from a single
source. The Lufthansa Worldshop is also being integrated into the new Miles & More
GmbH as the third component. Exciting challenges await the almost 200 staff who are
already working under one roof at the new location.

Main Airport Center at Frankfurt Airport – on the first and
second floors, the smell of fresh paint lingers in the air.
Removal boxes are being unpacked, and site plans on the walls
and doors show where the different departments are located
and where all the staff have their desks. The mood for change at
the still young Miles & More GmbH company is palpable in
every corner of the new open-plan office complex.
“Lufthansa founded Miles & More in 1993. Now, 21 years
later, we have come of age,” reports Co-Managing Director
Harald Deprosse, who is responsible for the Award Program,
Finance & Operations division. With about 28 million participants,
Miles & More is now the largest airline loyalty program
airline in Europe. “And the many awards we have won confirm
that it is also the best program,” he adds. Prizes are one thing,
and the operating result is another matter – and it, too, is
impressive. After all, in recent years Miles & More has regularly
made significant contributions to the Group’s net profit.
“Spinning off the customer loyalty program is not an entirely
new idea,” Deprosse says. “Air Canada, for example, outsourced
theirs several years ago, although they sold off their
program with the aim of investing the proceeds in their product
and their fleet.” However, a decision like that always entails
a risk of losing contact with the customer. “We have always
stressed the importance of the customer loyalty program for
our core airline business and pointed out that any outsourcing
must fully comply with entrepreneurial logic. And the ‘loyalizing’
function must be guaranteed.”
But why was it decided at this stage to spin off the awards
business a wholly owned subsidiary? “The driving force
behind the decision was the idea to further develop Miles &
More and make the separately managed organizational units
more effective, and on the other hand to systematically expand
the commercial side of the program,” Deprosse explains. This
would generate additional earnings for the Group and also
make the value created by the business more transparent. “We
already have a large non-air partner network and business
volume. But there is still a lot of room for upward growth.”
“What’s special is the fact that we have not spun off the entire
Miles & More program but only the awards business.” Direct
responsibility for the airline-specific ‘status world’ will remain
with Lufthansa, at FRA LP. As a result, the two subsidiaries –
Lufthansa Worldshop GmbH and Miles & More International
GmbH – have been merged. The main department at Luft -
hansa, FRA LL, has been dissolved and the awards business
functions have been outsourced from Lufthansa to Miles &
More International GmbH. As a clear sign of the realignment,
the new company will be called “Miles & More GmbH”.
“Entrepreneurship is always closely bound up with taking
business risks,” Deprossse notes. “We have to manage risks in
the new company and do everything to ensure we achieve the
success we are striving for.” But of course we will have to pay
particular attention to a few issues. “On the one hand, we have
status management, which has remained in place at Lufthansa
– and on the other hand, the awards business that has been
spun off to Miles & More.” The customer does not distinguish
between the two, and perceives both as Lufthansa. “That is
why, despite our internal reshuffle, we must have a uniform
presence and ensure that we are perceived as a single company
by the customer.”
Nothing will change for Miles & More participants, except that
in future, from a legal point of view, they will have two contractual
partners: Lufthansa and Miles & More GmbH. At the
same time, the strategic realignment of the awards business
will require staff to think and act in a totally different manner.
Harald Deprosse: “At Worldshop we used to consider what we
could do better, for example, in the mail order sector. Today
the question is far more holistic as regards the management of
different channels. Our outlook, our perceptions and our
actions will be more focused in terms of customer loyalty.”
And the second change for staff has more to do with practicalities.
“We are now based at one location with nearly 200
colleagues. We are well networked and we can act swiftly.”
Miles & More is therefore now more like a speedboat than an unwieldy tanker.

And what does the future look like for Miles & More? “We
must aim to be the best,” Harald Deprosse says. “Manager
Magazin recently presented Miles & More an award for being
the best frequent flyer program. And the article then went onto
say how other programs had caught up and that we were only
just the best frequent flyer program. The next time I would like
to read once again that we are the outright number one
winners, and not that the competition has improved. That
must be our common aim.” The message is loud and clear –
just as you would expect from someone who has come of age.
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Old Oct 16, 2014, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Some internal news from the M&M restructuring:
...With about 28 million participants,
Miles & More is now the largest airline loyalty program
airline in Europe. “And the many awards we have won confirm
that it is also the best program,” he adds.
Couldn't it be that it's voted the best because it has the most customers, and most of these customers only participate in one or two programs? Most customers don't even know they could collect with Aegan even though they fly LH.

I vote for normalizing the pool results by the number of members in the respective programs.

Prizes are one thing,
and the operating result is another matter – and it, too, is
impressive. After all, in recent years Miles & More has regularly
made significant contributions to the Group’s net profit.
Lots of it non-doubtedly by overcharging fuel surcharge on awards.

“On the one hand, we have
status management, which has remained in place at Lufthansa
– and on the other hand, the awards business that has been
spun off to Miles & More.”
So what can we expect? Probably a better loyalty program and deterioration in the conditions for flight awards.

HTB.
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Old Oct 16, 2014, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by htb
So what can we expect? Probably a better loyalty program and deterioration in the conditions for flight awards.
At a guess, one company blaming another when a flight is cancelled (or just a simple timetable change) and no award inventory is available on the best alternate flights.
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Old Oct 16, 2014, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by htb

So what can we expect? Probably a better loyalty program and deterioration in the conditions for flight awards.

HTB.
Aeroplan could be a good place to look as to what to expect.
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Old Oct 16, 2014, 12:14 pm
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How many suitcases will they send me for my millions of miles once awards have been completely eliminated?
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Old Oct 17, 2014, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by Rambuster
How many suitcases will they send me for my millions of miles once awards have been completely eliminated?
I need to replace my Tumi, let me know if you want to sell me one at a discount.
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Old Oct 17, 2014, 5:42 am
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I have to say I find this internal communication quite disgusting.

Of course, they want to motivate their employees, and all companies sugar coat in their employee magazines to some extent, so fair enough.

But LH has brought it to a level of hypocrisy that would make even a communist country proud - we are the number one!!! the message is loud and clear!!!

Reality is quite obviously different, but it seems like they live on their own planet...
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Old Oct 17, 2014, 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by Rambuster
How many suitcases will they send me for my millions of miles once awards have been completely eliminated?
You have many choices. Personal Electronics. Small Appliances. It is just what customers had asked for.
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