FRA-TLV going from L/H to S/H - How do you feel about it? [merged]
Oct 7, 2012, 2:46 pm
#123
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I really hope that LH has prepared their ground and mainly cabin crews as the first weeks will be war on the FRA and MUC TLV route and after by the latest a drastic decrease in premium traffic and yes... all these HON's that filled up F class on long haul flights from MUC and FRA they will probably be missing somwhere in the best case with SWISS and in the worst case with BA etc.
Oct 7, 2012, 8:19 pm
#124
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IMO, BA is now a viable premium option to TLV. We flew BA First LHR-ORD this past week and I was pleasantly surprised. In flight service and food was superb. Sure, wines were horrid but we just stayed with the Grand Siecle. The Concorde Room at LHR was on a par if not better than FCT/FCL. And BA just started curbside valet service for F pax. If BA ever started limo service from the CCR to the gate, that would be a game changer despite 14 pax in First.
I really must catch up on your latest trip report.
Oct 8, 2012, 12:37 am
#126
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Oct 8, 2012, 12:50 am
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FRA-TLV going from L/H to S/H - How do you feel about it? [merged]
Seriously, what is LH thinking here? This is bound to cost them dearly!
At least if they'd create a sub fleet of A320's and A321's that fly to TLV, BEY, CAI, AMM and where ever else in the middle east, with proper business class seats and none of that NEK business it wouldn't be so bad. It would be fine with me even. But this is just ridiculous!
Please Lufthansa, listen to your customers and take a page from the BMI handbook here!
At least if they'd create a sub fleet of A320's and A321's that fly to TLV, BEY, CAI, AMM and where ever else in the middle east, with proper business class seats and none of that NEK business it wouldn't be so bad. It would be fine with me even. But this is just ridiculous!
Please Lufthansa, listen to your customers and take a page from the BMI handbook here!
Oct 8, 2012, 12:59 am
#128
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Oct 8, 2012, 1:54 am
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Well, changing one's flight patterns isn't always that simple, and I can see why many would hesitate to backtrack from central or eastern Europe all the way to LHR only to fly to TLV.
Oct 8, 2012, 6:04 am
#130
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Either fly back to MUC or FRA or ZRH or LHR, so you have various flight times.
Now comes the hard question: At FRA for 10pm departure for TLV, because of weather, all take offs are queued and FRA is closing. Each captain is asking for special take off permit. Waiting on tarmac. Arrive in TLV between 4 and 5 am, in hotel between 6 and 7am, shower, change, get to the meeting.
You feel great after Non stop you in NEK
Oct 8, 2012, 7:05 am
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The "no coat hanger" option is very much appreciated in the winter when flying to destinations such as Moscow or Stockholm or anywhere in North America besides Miami and Los Angeles for that matter.
Oct 8, 2012, 9:09 am
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True, but especially coming from Eastern Europe, TK always was and now even LY direct is a good option, compared to LH.
Oct 8, 2012, 9:26 am
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^ Exactly. TK is a fantastic option for anyone, especially the folks east of Austria, and fares are usually in the sub-1200€ range, plus you get to enjoy the new C lounge at IST. Even the stopover is sort of halfway there, making the trip more bearable than with NEK.
Oct 8, 2012, 12:00 pm
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So, difference is:
Either fly back to MUC or FRA or ZRH or LHR, so you have various flight times.
Now comes the hard question: At FRA for 10pm departure for TLV, because of weather, all take offs are queued and FRA is closing. Each captain is asking for special take off permit. Waiting on tarmac. Arrive in TLV between 4 and 5 am, in hotel between 6 and 7am, shower, change, get to the meeting.
You feel great after Non stop you in NEK
Either fly back to MUC or FRA or ZRH or LHR, so you have various flight times.
Now comes the hard question: At FRA for 10pm departure for TLV, because of weather, all take offs are queued and FRA is closing. Each captain is asking for special take off permit. Waiting on tarmac. Arrive in TLV between 4 and 5 am, in hotel between 6 and 7am, shower, change, get to the meeting.
You feel great after Non stop you in NEK
Oct 8, 2012, 1:12 pm
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THe flights usually always have good loads out of FRA, especially in C and F really LH I don't understand; this hopefully is some nightmare that will begin with the wintertimetable and hopefully end just intime for the summer timetable 2013 when the long haul planes and service are back at least from either MUC or FRA!