How is CO/UA's regional Germany airport attack (EWR-STR/TXL/HAM)!?
Aug 27, 2011, 2:22 pm
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How is CO/UA's regional Germany airport attack (EWR-STR/TXL/HAM)!?
We all know CO/UA/DLH's wide-bodies from EWR-FRA/MUC/DUS.
But I was wondering if anyone here felt cramped SINGLE-AISLE trans-Atlantic secondary Germany/Deutscheland markets from New York/Newark (EWR) of CO/UA in coopration with DLH (Lufthansa!?).
Has anyone here ridden on CO/UA's new 100% AVOD SINGLE AISLE and businessElite secondary German market EWR-STR/TXL/HAM planes!?
EWR-STR non-stop was launched only ~2 months ago.
I guess this CO/UA/DLH strategy of using efficient single-aisle planes that can cross the Atlantic (757-200WL) can do faster end destinations for those German passengers in which Lufthansa wants to offload from their bigger hubs (FRA/MUC/DUS to an extent) allowing direct routing from New York EWR to secondary German cities. (And use those seats for connections to those OUTSIDE of Germany)...
But I was wondering if anyone here felt cramped SINGLE-AISLE trans-Atlantic secondary Germany/Deutscheland markets from New York/Newark (EWR) of CO/UA in coopration with DLH (Lufthansa!?).
Has anyone here ridden on CO/UA's new 100% AVOD SINGLE AISLE and businessElite secondary German market EWR-STR/TXL/HAM planes!?
EWR-STR non-stop was launched only ~2 months ago.
I guess this CO/UA/DLH strategy of using efficient single-aisle planes that can cross the Atlantic (757-200WL) can do faster end destinations for those German passengers in which Lufthansa wants to offload from their bigger hubs (FRA/MUC/DUS to an extent) allowing direct routing from New York EWR to secondary German cities. (And use those seats for connections to those OUTSIDE of Germany)...
Aug 27, 2011, 2:27 pm
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Well I guess with Irene people are being routed onto SINGLE-AISLE CO/UA trans-atlantic direct because the wide-bodies to the bigger hubs (FRA/MUC/DUS) need to be with people who are transiting OUTSIDE of Germany.
People ending their destination IN GERMANY I guess are sheep for trans-atlantic 757.
People ending their destination IN GERMANY I guess are sheep for trans-atlantic 757.
Aug 27, 2011, 2:39 pm
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I think I will live after 8,5 hours on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tU0m-r_iKg
HEY NO FRA transit!
HEY NO FRA transit!
Aug 27, 2011, 2:57 pm
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EWR-STR cancelled today & tomorrow by CO/UA/LH!
I guess everyone is getting the HELL out of NYC!
Continental Flight 152
Check flight status for United Flight 152 from New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty) to Stuttgart, Germany (STR)
Status: On Schedule
DEPARTS
ARRIVES
City: New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Gate:
Check-in Terminal:
Scheduled Time: 5:50 p.m.
Scheduled Date: Mon., Aug. 29, 2011
Estimated Time: 5:50 p.m.
Estimated Date: Mon., Aug. 29, 2011
City: Stuttgart, Germany (STR)
Gate:
Terminal:
Scheduled Time: 8:00 a.m.
Scheduled Date: Tue., Aug. 30, 2011
Estimated Time: 8:00 a.m.
Estimated Date: Tue., Aug. 30, 2011
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200 aircraft #103
Where is this aircraft coming from? Barcelona, Spain (BCN), Flight 121 Check Status
Weather conditions: EWR, STR
Information for the Traveler
Inflight Amenities
Flight Standby List
Upgrade Standby List
Seat Map
Flight Standby List:
BusinessFirst: Full |
Economy Class: Full
Customers Cleared with Seat Assignments No Standby Customers
Stand-by on EWR-STR is 100% full on CO/UA/LH!
I hope everyone got to their final destinations!
I guess everyone is getting the HELL out of NYC!
Continental Flight 152
Check flight status for United Flight 152 from New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty) to Stuttgart, Germany (STR)
Status: On Schedule
DEPARTS
ARRIVES
City: New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Gate:
Check-in Terminal:
Scheduled Time: 5:50 p.m.
Scheduled Date: Mon., Aug. 29, 2011
Estimated Time: 5:50 p.m.
Estimated Date: Mon., Aug. 29, 2011
City: Stuttgart, Germany (STR)
Gate:
Terminal:
Scheduled Time: 8:00 a.m.
Scheduled Date: Tue., Aug. 30, 2011
Estimated Time: 8:00 a.m.
Estimated Date: Tue., Aug. 30, 2011
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200 aircraft #103
Where is this aircraft coming from? Barcelona, Spain (BCN), Flight 121 Check Status
Weather conditions: EWR, STR
Information for the Traveler
Inflight Amenities
Flight Standby List
Upgrade Standby List
Seat Map
Flight Standby List:
BusinessFirst: Full |
Economy Class: Full
Customers Cleared with Seat Assignments No Standby Customers
Stand-by on EWR-STR is 100% full on CO/UA/LH!
I hope everyone got to their final destinations!
Aug 27, 2011, 3:12 pm
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I guess this CO/UA/DLH strategy of using efficient single-aisle planes that can cross the Atlantic (757-200WL) can do faster end destinations for those German passengers in which Lufthansa wants to offload from their bigger hubs (FRA/MUC/DUS to an extent) allowing direct routing from New York EWR to secondary German cities. (And use those seats for connections to those OUTSIDE of Germany)...
Aug 27, 2011, 3:25 pm
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Interesting business/profit analysis.
So LH and UA/CO uses CO/UA's expertise of using single-aisle 757-200WL to secondary German markets and specifically Americas >--< Regional Germany (STR/TXL/HAM) because the 757-200WL according to CO/UA/LH makes profit flying single aisle to these destinations (High end American/German business VERY TIME SENSITIVE, no FRA/MUC time sensitive bull-....).
This is similar to DLH widebodies from DUS-EWR/ORD/YYZ and transit to North America and possible other Americas (Latin/South America) via *A.
FRA/MUC allows intercontinental (not just Europe/North America and Latin/South America to an extent) transits which possibly are higher revenue but requires bigger planes and what-not...
Oh and true F and C.
Interesting they are separating the regional Germany/Europe to an extent profit sharing and true inter-continental from outside of regional Germany/Europe.
I guess they are separating the German-American and German market from the inter-continental market.
So LH and UA/CO uses CO/UA's expertise of using single-aisle 757-200WL to secondary German markets and specifically Americas >--< Regional Germany (STR/TXL/HAM) because the 757-200WL according to CO/UA/LH makes profit flying single aisle to these destinations (High end American/German business VERY TIME SENSITIVE, no FRA/MUC time sensitive bull-....).
This is similar to DLH widebodies from DUS-EWR/ORD/YYZ and transit to North America and possible other Americas (Latin/South America) via *A.
FRA/MUC allows intercontinental (not just Europe/North America and Latin/South America to an extent) transits which possibly are higher revenue but requires bigger planes and what-not...
Oh and true F and C.
Interesting they are separating the regional Germany/Europe to an extent profit sharing and true inter-continental from outside of regional Germany/Europe.
I guess they are separating the German-American and German market from the inter-continental market.
Aug 27, 2011, 6:03 pm
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In C you're getting a lie-flat (something you won't be getting on LH for quite some time).
In Y... well, I've flown LH Y longhaul. I won't be doing it again if I can avoid it (DL longhaul Y on an A333 to FRA was much nicer). I can't imagine CO Y (soon to be UA Y) is much worse than LH Y.
In Y... well, I've flown LH Y longhaul. I won't be doing it again if I can avoid it (DL longhaul Y on an A333 to FRA was much nicer). I can't imagine CO Y (soon to be UA Y) is much worse than LH Y.