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netsurferrr Aug 7, 2005 4:02 pm

People say Germans are uptight and humorless. Actually, Americans are worse, as this thread shows. What is such a big deal really? If you do not like the FA, just ignore his email! And yes, I got harrassed before.

wander_star Aug 8, 2005 4:54 am

I agree with netsurferrr. As a european I am rather bemused by all these uptight comments.

PUCCI GALORE Aug 8, 2005 5:33 am

My own thoughts are that the FA was completely unprofessional. Had the OP entrusted this person with his email (he does not mention any other details that may or may not be on that survery). In fact in the UK he would be in breach of the Data Protection Act.

That said, I would just let it drop. At this point I would treat it as an ego boost. If the person has no other details about you - even if he contacts you again just ignore it. I strongly suspect that silence will be the greatest deterent here. No, I would not bother with the Company as this person could claim that you had given him your card and I would not regard all the aggrevation worth the bother. Were this a telephone number, or address then I would take a very different view but email and this whole episode can be erased with the click of your mouse.

StSebastian Aug 8, 2005 11:29 pm

There's a thread about the same types of things happening in the Fairmont threads -- a concierge that looked up some of their personal information so they could congratulate them on a birthday or anniversary or something like that. They were uncomfortable that their personal information was picked up by the concierge, somewhat similar to what you're talking about here. I can understand the other perspective, but personally I think I'd be flattered as long as it didn't become someone you tried to turn down and wouldn't go away.

GoldFlyer Aug 9, 2005 5:25 am

Nice of you to drop in Pucci Galore, another moderate to even up the debate here.

vincom Aug 9, 2005 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by BKKboy
Just thought I'd share a relatively recent experience on a domestic flight. One FA (FA 1) chatted with me several times during the flight (he came to my seat each time), gave me complements, and gave me extra blankets (which I did not request) because he said "the cabin was cold". (But that was it, I didn't give him my card or gave him any personal info). Then, towards the end of the flight, we were handed a survey of which I happily completed and handed it to ANOTHER FA (FA 2). And, just last week, I received an e-mail from FA 1 asking me out and confessed that he got my e-mail from the survey...I basically am shrugging my shoulders over this, but my boss said I should write to HQ (I think that's a little extreme). What are your thoughts?

Turn the FA in, this is a violation of privacy and I am sure UA's company policy. If you did want to be contacted by the FA you would have given contact info or vice versa. What this FA did violates the trust you place with UA.

-Vincent

izzik Aug 9, 2005 1:39 pm

Well, does the OP feel violated or not?

vincom Aug 9, 2005 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by izzik
Well, does the OP feel violated or not?

It's the principal of the situation. The FA STOLE the email address from the survey. Who knows what else was on the card, with a name address and possibly MP number we could have identity theft! With the afore mentioned information one could find a DOB and SSN over night.

-Vincent

izzik Aug 9, 2005 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by vincom
It's the principal of the situation.

The principal is your pal. ;)


Originally Posted by vincom
...With the afore mentioned information one could find a DOB and SSN over night. -Vincent

Oh really? Name, address, e-mail, Mileage Plus Number? I'm not sure how those pieces of information lead to a SSN. :confused:

Calm down dear Aug 10, 2005 7:32 am

No harm has been done or importantly was intended to be done. Life is far to swift to pass up people paying compliments. A polite reply as suggested is all that is required. We have all done inappropriate or made misjudgements in our lives and really you'd get the guy sacked and those that say well he deserves it for breaking the data protection act should lighten up a bit.

simonsmith Aug 11, 2005 4:17 am


Originally Posted by Calm down dear
No harm has been done or importantly was intended to be done. Life is far to swift to pass up people paying compliments. A polite reply as suggested is all that is required. We have all done inappropriate or made misjudgements in our lives and really you'd get the guy sacked and those that say well he deserves it for breaking the data protection act should lighten up a bit.

well said!

GoldFlyer Aug 11, 2005 4:55 am

I'm certainly building a profile on people never to seek an email address from save they feel their identity is going to be compromised. Sheesh!

When is the American lead war on Iraq going to be over?

When is the next US election?

We need a sea change.

MapleLeaf Aug 11, 2005 6:34 am

I vote for a polite response to the FA and let the issue drop. Why make a huge issue out of this - far more important things in life to get worked up about.

Guy Betsy Aug 11, 2005 7:27 am

Take it as a compliment... the last time I was sort of hin on by a FA was on AIR CHINA in the mid 90's... and SHE was trying to introduce her sister to me!

I should have asked if she had any brothers! But then I was dating someone then...

GoodKarmaGuy Aug 11, 2005 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by GoldFlyer
I'm certainly building a profile on people never to seek an email address from save they feel their identity is going to be compromised. Sheesh!

When is the American lead war on Iraq going to be over?

When is the next US election?

We need a sea change.



NOW who is getting a little over excited? :rolleyes:

I think the point was that the OP was NOT asked for his email.

vincom Aug 11, 2005 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by izzik
Oh really? Name, address, e-mail, Mileage Plus Number? I'm not sure how those pieces of information lead to a SSN. :confused:

As a victim of identity theft, it can happen with just your name, home address, phone number, and name of employer.

Think of how easy it is to get thet information. Infact we give it out all the time.

Anyone who knows what they are doing can find your social if they wanted.

-Vincent

DCFFlyer Aug 11, 2005 3:57 pm

I don't see what the big deal is...it's just an email address. Like most people I have multiple email addresses including one that I use for just travel related accounts.

This all seems rather innocent. I would take it as a compliment and leave it at that. It's always okay to say thanks but no thanks.

GoldFlyer Aug 12, 2005 2:47 am


Originally Posted by GoodKarmaGuy
NOW who is getting a little over excited? :rolleyes:

I think the point was that the OP was NOT asked for his email.

Yes I do understand that. My comment is more pointed to the paranoia of some of the posts in this thread. It's like the Spanish Inquisition is about to begin all over again :rolleyes:

This FA should be publicly executed for his ability to pay a compliment without asking and perhaps having the ability to do all sorts of nasty things with a passengers email address. I'm in shock at the ramifications. The sky is falling in!

sushibear Aug 14, 2005 11:40 pm


Originally Posted by GoldFlyer
I'm certainly building a profile on people never to seek an email address from save they feel their identity is going to be compromised. Sheesh!

When is the American lead war on Iraq going to be over?

When is the next US election?

We need a sea change.

Not to get into a whole other argument, but I'd like to point out that without its so-called coalition, the Bush administration would not have been able to sell the war to the American people. Help me remember which side of the fence Australia was on.

GoldFlyer Aug 15, 2005 12:42 am

Oh for sure and I don't agree with My home Country being involved either but then I'm voting with my feet and moving to Canada. :)

sushibear Aug 15, 2005 12:44 am


Originally Posted by GoldFlyer
Oh for sure and I don't agree with My home Country being involved either but then I'm voting with my feet and moving to Canada. :)

I may be joining you!

GoldFlyer Aug 15, 2005 2:41 am


Originally Posted by sushibear
I may be joining you!

LOL,

Well if you want to join me in Winnipeg then I'd be delighted to meet your acquaintance. :eek: I'll even buy you a warming marshmallow filled hot chocolate to thaw you out.

peteropny Aug 15, 2005 11:11 am

OK - people - get back to the topic which is an unsolicited e-mail from a FA - NOT politics. Political discussions are not allowed in FT forums other than over in OMNI. Thanks.

peteropny - co-moderator - GLBT

dcutcher Aug 15, 2005 4:00 pm

throwing my weight around *again*
 
Over the past weekend I had occasion to relate the OPs story to TWO airline managers. Unanimously they exploded with "He'd be fired on the spot, no ifs ands or buts, for an infraction of company policy re:confidentialty issues."
If you'll recall, I didn't suggest the OP should contact UA with identification of the FA who e-mailed him.
If you'll recall I urged the OP to make it clear to UA that confidentiality had been breached on a recent domestic flight and that the OP would not participate in any further such until confidentialty could be guaranteed.
I call that "kicking in the right direction"--everyone benefits.
And maybe UA makes it $#%& clear to employees that they have a particular obligation with regard to manifests and surveys, etc., that reveal pax ID info.

Seeksreal Aug 15, 2005 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by dcutcher
Over the past weekend I had occasion to relate the OPs story to TWO airline managers. Unanimously they exploded with "He'd be fired on the spot, no ifs ands or buts, for an infraction of company policy re:confidentialty issues."
If you'll recall, I didn't suggest the OP should contact UA with identification of the FA who e-mailed him.
If you'll recall I urged the OP to make it clear to UA that confidentiality had been breached on a recent domestic flight and that the OP would not participate in any further such until confidentialty could be guaranteed.
I call that "kicking in the right direction"--everyone benefits.
And maybe UA makes it $#%& clear to employees that they have a particular obligation with regard to manifests and surveys, etc., that reveal pax ID info.

That is a sensible approach. Have we all beaten this horse to a satisfying death now?

GoldFlyer Aug 15, 2005 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by Seeksreal
That is a sensible approach. Have we all beaten this horse to a satisfying death now?

I think I saw his tail twitch, perhaps not just yet. :D

NOLAnwGOLD Aug 17, 2005 9:04 pm

So joining in late...

Yeah, so he got the info in not the best way, violating company policy and could/should get fired for it....but then heck it's life, and well sometimes you gotta take some chances at times....if I were to pass judgement, I'd wonder why he wasn't more forthcoming with his contact info during the flight....but that might be again company policy (do't know if they prohibit hitting on passenders)....well, if no harm is done, then really no harm is done....

People meet in the stranges ways...my current bf i met on Bourbon Street, at the Pub's balcony during a Foam party....I met a divorce laywer that is currently married to her ex-client....bosses dating thier underlings....

If things worked out....when your on your 50th anniversary, it'd be really a cute story huh??

Lifes short....

Solblanc Aug 20, 2005 3:12 am

innocent emails like that usually show up on the script of yet another romantic comedy. Can you really blame anyone for hoping that your innocent chit-chat was to be the beginning of something wonderful?

I can't believe I just said that. The cynic in me just fainted.

onlysuites Aug 20, 2005 3:57 am

I think reporting it is going a bit to far unless he harrases you. I mean all he did wrong was to like you!

GoldFlyer Aug 20, 2005 6:04 am

Yup,

That horse still needs flogging :D .

dhammer53 Aug 20, 2005 7:09 am


Originally Posted by buddhaman
It was only an email for goodness sake. An email address does not contain a home address.

Send me your e mail address; and in 5 minutes I'll have your home address.

onlysuites Aug 22, 2005 12:18 am


Originally Posted by dhammer53
Send me your e mail address; and in 5 minutes I'll have your home address.

I will be very suprised if you can. Sent via PM to you.

GoldFlyer Aug 23, 2005 3:07 am

Being the GLBT forum would anyone know of a tranquiliser for horses? This one sure needs some distractions while we beat it to death. :D

ecaarch Aug 23, 2005 8:14 am

This horse is def ready for the glue factory.

peteropny Aug 23, 2005 9:46 am


Originally Posted by ecaarch
This horse is def ready for the glue factory.

Maybe we can let it rest in peace then :D

netsurferrr Aug 26, 2005 5:23 pm

You are right, Solblanc.
Where has all the sense of romance and adventure gone?
Has the "sinned" FA resorted to stalking after not getting a response to his email?
Gee, this is so blown out of proportions...

GoldFlyer Aug 28, 2005 2:17 am

This horse just loves getting flogged :)


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