TAM downgrade reimbursement - what to expect or ask for?
#1
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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TAM downgrade reimbursement - what to expect or ask for?
I flew TAM yesterday – GRU to MAO as part of a BRU-GRU-MAO trip – booked in D. Due to an aircraft change I was downgraded to economy (upon entering the plane!! – no need to inform passengers or reassign seats apparently) as there was no business class on the A321 they used for the flight. I suspect that it was a capacity issue – flight was full.
I filled out a form to get reimbursement but does anybody know what to expect to be offered in compensation?
Are there any applicable laws comparable to the EU261 in Brasil?
JJBe
I filled out a form to get reimbursement but does anybody know what to expect to be offered in compensation?
Are there any applicable laws comparable to the EU261 in Brasil?
JJBe
#2
Join Date: Oct 2010
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You are misinformed: there was not any aircraft change, as all TAM's domestic aircraft only have Y seats.
You should have been informed, at time of booking, that your itinerary would be a mixed cabin one.
As TAM does not fly to BRU, don't know how you have flown the first leg, how was your itinerary (not BRU-GIG nonstop or even direct) or who sold the ticket.
If you have a valid complaint (in case of non-disclosure of a mixed cabin itinerary), it will be against whom sold you the ticket.
You should have been informed, at time of booking, that your itinerary would be a mixed cabin one.
As TAM does not fly to BRU, don't know how you have flown the first leg, how was your itinerary (not BRU-GIG nonstop or even direct) or who sold the ticket.
If you have a valid complaint (in case of non-disclosure of a mixed cabin itinerary), it will be against whom sold you the ticket.
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I flew TAM yesterday – GRU to MAO as part of a BRU-GRU-MAO trip – booked in D. Due to an aircraft change I was downgraded to economy (upon entering the plane!! – no need to inform passengers or reassign seats apparently) as there was no business class on the A321 they used for the flight. I suspect that it was a capacity issue – flight was full.
I filled out a form to get reimbursement but does anybody know what to expect to be offered in compensation?
Are there any applicable laws comparable to the EU261 in Brasil?
JJBe
I filled out a form to get reimbursement but does anybody know what to expect to be offered in compensation?
Are there any applicable laws comparable to the EU261 in Brasil?
JJBe
Last edited by FLYDCA; Sep 23, 2014 at 9:18 am
#4
Join Date: Oct 2010
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A Correction
I must correct an error in my own previous post:
As FLYDCA points, there is indeed this flight JJ3748 which is usually flown with a widebody (332/767/777). This aircraft has a separate business class cabin, and it is, to my knowledge, the only one (internal) flight in Brazil to have it.
To JJBe; if you were in this flight and the aircraft was changed to a narrowbody without business class cabin, I believe you really are due some compensation; at the minimum the fare difference.
As FLYDCA points, there is indeed this flight JJ3748 which is usually flown with a widebody (332/767/777). This aircraft has a separate business class cabin, and it is, to my knowledge, the only one (internal) flight in Brazil to have it.
To JJBe; if you were in this flight and the aircraft was changed to a narrowbody without business class cabin, I believe you really are due some compensation; at the minimum the fare difference.
#5
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Good luck dealing with customer relations of a Brazilian airline. Worth a shot, however. There are laws regarding delays and cancellations, but not sure about class changes. I'd first contact TAM. They have an office in London. They may offer credit vs. cash. Do find out what your cost would have been in economy. Narrow-body TAM jets all-economy. Most wide body jets part of international routes. Some GRU-MAO flights are narrow-body. Maybe yours continued to MIA?
Not familiar with D class.
Equipment changes happen all the time. Sure there wasn't an announcement in Portuguese? I have flown TAM many times, never with big problems.
Not familiar with D class.
Equipment changes happen all the time. Sure there wasn't an announcement in Portuguese? I have flown TAM many times, never with big problems.
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When booked in an upgraded cabin F or C and passenger voluntarily accepts to fly in an inferior cabin C or Y respectively, carrier owes nothing to the passenger.
After the fact that passenger has already flown an inferior cabin, hopefully it will not become an I said-She said situation, without proof to support a case, where one claims not to have been informed while the other insists the passenger willingly accepted the downgrade.
After the fact that passenger has already flown an inferior cabin, hopefully it will not become an I said-She said situation, without proof to support a case, where one claims not to have been informed while the other insists the passenger willingly accepted the downgrade.
#7
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I must correct an error in my own previous post:
As FLYDCA points, there is indeed this flight JJ3748 which is usually flown with a widebody (332/767/777). This aircraft has a separate business class cabin, and it is, to my knowledge, the only one (internal) flight in Brazil to have it.
To JJBe; if you were in this flight and the aircraft was changed to a narrowbody without business class cabin, I believe you really are due some compensation; at the minimum the fare difference.
As FLYDCA points, there is indeed this flight JJ3748 which is usually flown with a widebody (332/767/777). This aircraft has a separate business class cabin, and it is, to my knowledge, the only one (internal) flight in Brazil to have it.
To JJBe; if you were in this flight and the aircraft was changed to a narrowbody without business class cabin, I believe you really are due some compensation; at the minimum the fare difference.
My original flight was BRU-LHR-GRU-MAO to be correct.
Last leg indeed was JJ3748 and it should have been a 2-class 767-300 - same flight as FLYDCA has booked. It was a booking in J (not - D sorry for that) and I could select the seats online and it clearly was a 2class cabin. My return flight MAO-GRU is on an A320 that is all economy - and this was ticketed as such - connecting to FRA on LH in D (codeshare JJ8250).
In retrospect there probably was an announcement in Portuguese, so didn't have a clue, on the bus (they bussed us to the A321) before boarding - apparently passengers could choose where to sit. Luckily I ended up in one of the extra legroom seats.
Thanks for the feedback. Will contact TAM in UK when I get back.
JJBe