mctrees02

In my experiences as a BJ player at Wynn, they are MUCH more generous with comps/ratings than other properties. There is 1 pit boss over at Paris that I've found that is comparable...but I've had great experiences with 4 or 5 different people at Wynn/Encore. On a recent trip I played a lot of $15-25 BJ with my bets getting as high as $150 at times...and I was rated out at $120 for my trip. The bosses at Wynn/Encore are very engaging and willing to take care of any reasonable request. We ask for a table limit to be bumped, table to be marked non-smoking...not a problem. I've even gone as far as to ask what I'm rated at (I've got you at $X) and then to say "I played up to XXX" and usually they'll say "so is XX (a number in the middle) fair???" Wynn/Encore is the only place I can easily talk my rating up...and often times come close to doubling my rating just by talking, tipping, and asking nicely.

On our last trip for example, there were 3 of us. Here are our ratings:

- 21 hours @ $65
- 11 hours @ $70
- 16 hours @ $400

We were comp'd:

- 2 nights in Encore resort room (casino rate was $159/night)
- 1 night in Encore salon suite (casino rate was $750 that night)
- bottle of 1990 Dom Perignon at the table by the pit boss after 6 hours of all 3 of us playing one night ($500)
- 3 buffet comps (the only 3 that we asked for)
- Wynn limo available for transportation when requested
- approximately $1000 in f&b charges

So by my calculation, we risked $512,100, had an expected loss of $3,072.60, and received comps of $2,570. That results in an astounding 83.6% of our expected loss back in comps. One thing that should be noted though is that our group had a combined loss of approximately $11k. So while this could've factored a bit into the comps that we received...we still recevied A LOT more in comps than should be expected.

mctrees02

Another suggestion would be to book your comp stay elsewhere...but then go over to the Wynn and play there first. You just might find yourself approached by a host asking what he can do to help. Tell him you are staying at Mirage/Venetian but would like to move to Wynn/Encore and see if he can take care of that for you. That might serve as an easy workaround!

baccarat_king

This is a nice analysis ^ (I won't comment on on specifics, as I don't know enough about Wynn comping --- other than what I hear second hand), though, the "regular resort room rate" is probably figured at a lower rate (per night) for the purpose of comp'ing. A lot of items use a lower rate than the "retail value." (For example, you'll get two tickets to a show that are worth $300 retail, but they only charge-back $150 of that retail price for "comping-purposes.") The loss doesn't hurt especially if they were figuring everything and looking at the loss. Though, an $11K loss is much more than the retail $$; so, as has often been mentioned, the "comp-game" is much riskier than the frequent flyer mileage and points games. You need to be willing to risk, to gain the reward.

Of course, the most valuable element (IMHO) are the FUTURE marketing offers, that will provide up-front comps (for rooms, free play and F&B) --- allowing you to potentially provide a little less action, while still providing a lot of base benefits. That's been my game, for the past few years.

mctrees02

Yeah rack rates were around $250 and $900 for those rooms...the casino rates are what we were told we'd be paying if we didn't play (which we weren't that concerned about).

Fortunately for me...I didn't absorb any of the $11k loss and actually came out a little bit ahead and was able to pick up some nice gifts for the lady!

I called yesterday to see what offers I'd have (my last 2 trips have rated at $120 and $70) and the host just told me "I can offer you a casino rate but you'll probably find a better rate by going to our website." I'll wait and see what marketing offers get emailed to me.

baccarat_king

Always nice to walk away without the loss.

Over the past year, "low-roller" room offers from Venetian/Palazzo have really picked up. I've also heard the same for Wynn, though, mostly from video poker/slot players; so I can't really speak to tables.

It's a really good idea to throw some video poker coin-in into the mix (of gaming) if at all possible.

I've found that enjoying friends and relaxing is more my priority than the gaming (in Vegas... not so much for Atlantic City); so I don't really spread my play around too much.

This past weekend, I managed to take a core-bootcamp class @ Canyon Ranch (Palazzo/Venetian), and even did two other cardio sessions. Though, sleep was still lacking... and the bootcamp was a "bit" painful.....

mctrees02

I didn't even think about my VP time. I logged 3 or so hours at $.25 VP the last day of our trip...or about $5 in expected loss!

baccarat_king

That "might" do more harm than good (with regard to future offers). [emphasis on the "might"] Something to keep in mind. Since the [very light] VP play, might very well be bringing down your overall theoretical.

mbstone

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Goosey

I just tentatively booked a stay at the Wynn. I couldn't get myself to pay $40 more a night for the Encore.

For casino rates, is that something you have to ask at the end of your stay or at the end of your play (in case you don't get comped)?

baccarat_king

At the end of your stay, you'll speak to a host and ask if they can COMP your room charges, as well as food and beverage. At that point, they will review your play, and either COMP or give you a room rate reduction --- and, if applicable, tell you how much F&B they will cover.

OverThereTooMuch

Hmmm, I can't find the time spent anywhere. Where are you seeing it? It's not on the win/loss statement they mail out, and it's not tracked on the (lame) Club Grazie website.

Is $20k coin-in per day what they consider a low roller?

baccarat_king

It's not on the website, and I've never seen table game [play] details on any players club website. You need to speak directly [via phone/email] to your host or Club Grazie.

Goosey

I've currently booked 2 nights at the Palazzo and 3 nights at the Wynn. I currently get discounted (not comp) deals from both. I have stayed at the Palazzo but never at the Wynn. Should I just stay 5 nights at Wynn or am I better off spreading my stay between the two hotels as far as future marketing offers is concerned?

opus17

They don't care where you stay, only where you gamble.
I've never stayed at the Wynn, but I get offers from them, because I cross the bridge from the Palazzo and gamble there.

Goosey

So there's not much reward for staying at a hotel?