Bad Beats
Aug 31, 2006, 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Bellagio last year, a 4-8 limit table. It's been a bit passive and typically loose but not wild. I have pocket aces. It's capped before the flop with four players. Flop is K-8-2 rainbow.
I'm second to act and bet; everyone folds except the first player to act.
Turn is 4; numbnuts checks; I bet; numbnuts calls.
River is 5; numbnuts bets; I have to call. (I'm expecting trips.) Numbnuts shows A-3, which he cold called TWICE preflop as it was being capped, with three other players in the hand at that point.
Heavy sigh.
But of course, you know, the A-3 was suited.
I'm second to act and bet; everyone folds except the first player to act.
Turn is 4; numbnuts checks; I bet; numbnuts calls.
River is 5; numbnuts bets; I have to call. (I'm expecting trips.) Numbnuts shows A-3, which he cold called TWICE preflop as it was being capped, with three other players in the hand at that point.
Heavy sigh.
But of course, you know, the A-3 was suited.
Aug 31, 2006, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by EWC-JMU
No, they would'nt. At least not at a higher-grade table.
I think you miss the point. When most gamblers make an obviously stupid move, they hurt only themselves. But with blackjack, when someone makes a move like this, the whole table is put at risk. Plus, it goes directly against the core concept of the game, namely, beat the dealer (and not to get to 21). And both of these cut deep into the allure of blackjack: the belief that you have a greater measure of control against the house.
I think you miss the point. When most gamblers make an obviously stupid move, they hurt only themselves. But with blackjack, when someone makes a move like this, the whole table is put at risk. Plus, it goes directly against the core concept of the game, namely, beat the dealer (and not to get to 21). And both of these cut deep into the allure of blackjack: the belief that you have a greater measure of control against the house.
Most blackjack players (falsely) believe that decisions other players make impact their chances of winning. It doesn't matter what that guy on third base did or does. Opus is right, that guy could have just as easily taken a low value card.
Aug 31, 2006, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by skofarrell
Another reason not to play limit.
I've tried NL but there are just too many jerks trying to make up for their small Johnsons by offering the absolute worst in human nature.
Aug 31, 2006, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
True for you; but I'm not in it to win the WSOP, just enjoy myself at the tables and end positive.
I've tried NL but there are just too many jerks trying to make up for their small Johnsons by offering the absolute worst in human nature.
I've tried NL but there are just too many jerks trying to make up for their small Johnsons by offering the absolute worst in human nature.
I largely agree, but gave up on limit because I simply cannot stand the chasing.
Aug 31, 2006, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
Bellagio last year, a 4-8 limit table. It's been a bit passive and typically loose but not wild. I have pocket aces. It's capped before the flop with four players. Flop is K-8-2 rainbow.
I'm second to act and bet; everyone folds except the first player to act.
Turn is 4; numbnuts checks; I bet; numbnuts calls.
River is 5; numbnuts bets; I have to call. (I'm expecting trips.) Numbnuts shows A-3, which he cold called TWICE preflop as it was being capped, with three other players in the hand at that point.
Heavy sigh.
But of course, you know, the A-3 was suited.
I'm second to act and bet; everyone folds except the first player to act.
Turn is 4; numbnuts checks; I bet; numbnuts calls.
River is 5; numbnuts bets; I have to call. (I'm expecting trips.) Numbnuts shows A-3, which he cold called TWICE preflop as it was being capped, with three other players in the hand at that point.
Heavy sigh.
But of course, you know, the A-3 was suited.
Aug 31, 2006, 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by aceman
You're kidding right???
These are your worst bad beats?? you have to be pretty new to the game....
And lets look briefly at the hands, first situation, the 2 4, he flopped a straight and you flopped 2 pair? The best hand you can have in this situation is 56 (flop 3 5 6 for his straight) Which i assume that you would have played pre flop because of the implied odds when/if you hit your hand, exactly like the other guy did with his 2 4, he hit his hand and got paid just like he intended.
These are your worst bad beats?? you have to be pretty new to the game....
And lets look briefly at the hands, first situation, the 2 4, he flopped a straight and you flopped 2 pair? The best hand you can have in this situation is 56 (flop 3 5 6 for his straight) Which i assume that you would have played pre flop because of the implied odds when/if you hit your hand, exactly like the other guy did with his 2 4, he hit his hand and got paid just like he intended.
Aug 31, 2006, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by skofarrell
Me neither. It isn't like you all knew there was a 10 there....
Aug 31, 2006, 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by trekwars2000
That is not a hardly a bad beat. Depending on how the bet came to be capped, he might have been "stuck" with his A3 suited.
Of course, numbnuts isn't figuring pot odds anyway; he's thinking "I have an ace! Oooohhh, and the other pretty card has the same symbol as the ace! Did I mention I have an ace?"
Aug 31, 2006, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by fishintheobx
No...but you can either play by the unwritten rules when you sit in that seat or accept the consequences when you are an idiot. If you think not, stand around a BJ table and tell me which earns more cheers, people beating a dealer that doesn't bust, or people beating a dealer that does bust. Hopefully from that you could figure out what the goal of the game is that just about all players subsribe to.
Idiot play in that seat (or any other seat) has no statistical effect on the dealer busting or anyone else winning or losing. Let him hit on 19 while the dealer is showing 2, who cares, it is his money. Maybe he gets a 9, and the dealer busts with a 10 and 22.
The average gambler's grasp of mathematics is a big reason why everyone is building casinos.
Aug 31, 2006, 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by bumpme
Number 1: The other person played a 2 4 and flopped a straight. Raised all in and I called with a high 2 pair.
Number 2: The other person played an 8 4 and flopped a pair of 8s. It wasn't even top pair. 2 Clubs appear and I have A K of clubs. He raises 5x the pot; I raise all in. Rest of cards don't help my hand.
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Aug 31, 2006, 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by opus17
People cheer blackjack games?
Idiot play in that seat (or any other seat) has no statistical effect on the dealer busting or anyone else winning or losing. Let him hit on 19 while the dealer is showing 2, who cares, it is his money. Maybe he gets a 9, and the dealer busts with a 10 and 22.
The average gambler's grasp of mathematics is a big reason why everyone is building casinos.
Idiot play in that seat (or any other seat) has no statistical effect on the dealer busting or anyone else winning or losing. Let him hit on 19 while the dealer is showing 2, who cares, it is his money. Maybe he gets a 9, and the dealer busts with a 10 and 22.
The average gambler's grasp of mathematics is a big reason why everyone is building casinos.
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Aug 31, 2006, 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by fishintheobx
No...but you can either play by the unwritten rules when you sit in that seat or accept the consequences when you are an idiot. If you think not, stand around a BJ table and tell me which earns more cheers, people beating a dealer that doesn't bust, or people beating a dealer that does bust. Hopefully from that you could figure out what the goal of the game is that just about all players subsribe to.
Learn more on why third base does not matter here: http://casinogambling.about.com/cs/b...kjack3base.htm
About the only time "idiot" play has an impact is if you're a serious counter. But if you are serious counter, you'll either be thrid base, or you'll likely have someone there who's a part of your team...
Aug 31, 2006, 5:57 pm
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oh and the sickest beat i ever saw someone take was when a friend of mine lost after flopping the low end of a straight flush when the board came 9 10 J against the other guys AK flush, all the money goes in on the turn (brick) and the river gives the other guy the royal flush when the Q came..... nice $10,000 pot.... the worst part was (this was online) that because the queen gave my friend a higher straight flush it meant that he was now using only one of his hole cards, so didnt even qualify for the bad beat jackpot....
Another of my friends managed to lose money with a Royal Flush, think about that one....
Another of my friends managed to lose money with a Royal Flush, think about that one....