Question about North/ South Boarder
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Question about North/ South Boarder
I see thousand of Pictures on the Internet from the Boarder between Korea.
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
#2
I see thousand of Pictures on the Internet from the Boarder between Korea.
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
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What would happen?
Firstly, breaching the divide around the blue buildings is not something one would easily do "by accident".
What would happen would also depend on who you were, your nationality, which side you trespassed into, as well as by level of alert and a number of other political considerations relevant to that day (e.g. today there are shells being fired across the border and tensions are particularly high, unlikely you'd even get close.)
To see what has happened when a South Korean national breached the divide from North to South in the area between the blue buildings take a look:
The gentleman being rough housed and arrested had to travel to the North via China. There is no way any of the guards and security staff manning the South Side would have let him through, no possibility of pretending to stumble across the border by accident. If that is your concern - that you might create an international incident by being clumsy - you can dismiss it.
Firstly, breaching the divide around the blue buildings is not something one would easily do "by accident".
What would happen would also depend on who you were, your nationality, which side you trespassed into, as well as by level of alert and a number of other political considerations relevant to that day (e.g. today there are shells being fired across the border and tensions are particularly high, unlikely you'd even get close.)
To see what has happened when a South Korean national breached the divide from North to South in the area between the blue buildings take a look:
The gentleman being rough housed and arrested had to travel to the North via China. There is no way any of the guards and security staff manning the South Side would have let him through, no possibility of pretending to stumble across the border by accident. If that is your concern - that you might create an international incident by being clumsy - you can dismiss it.
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I see thousand of Pictures on the Internet from the Boarder between Korea.
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
I ask me thousand of times what happened if someone (accentually) run over the N / S Boarder in or around the "Blue Buildings" ?
I know some DDR / D Videos where Solider, Pedestrians jump over the small fence to cross the boarder.
But what happened there? (and no i never would try it...)
Thanks
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was some screening that took place prior to the tour, as well, since they do require your passport number, etc., and I believe they verify the number is accurate prior to allowing a person to embark on the tour. Presumably they screen out some they believe to be potentially troublesome.
Based on what our US Army guide said, the first video is far more representative of the typical experience than the second one (where the Norks come down to the border at around 3:00 in). He told our group that since the Norks had installed cameras, it was not so common to see their soldiers come down to the border, at least in his experience. The video linked in the previous post is atypical, in that the situation was clearly staged/managed by the Norks, and the useful idiot who crossed for their cameras was obviously anticipated.
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BTW, below is the hat scene from JSA.
On a somewhat related note, there was a firefight between US/ROK forces and Nork forces back in 1984 when a Russian man defected to the west from the Nork side.
On a somewhat related note, there was a firefight between US/ROK forces and Nork forces back in 1984 when a Russian man defected to the west from the Nork side.
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Why does the "Freedom Activist" dont use Mobile Radios, Jammer, Micro UKW Transmitter (on Ballons),... to smuggle information to the North?
I know there is a gap between the "rich" People who want to chance anything and the other who looking for there daily income.
I know there is a gap between the "rich" People who want to chance anything and the other who looking for there daily income.
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I don't know if it is true any longer, but when I was in Seoul in the early 1990's, on certain radio frequencies (AM/FM frequencies), one could hear a rhythmic, nonsensical sound at all times. I asked about this and was told it was possible I was hearing a Nork jammer, which the North Korean government used to keep Norks close to the DMZ from listening to radio broadcasts from South Korea. So far as I understand, radios sold openly in North Korea can only be tuned to certain frequencies, another deterrent to keep Norks from getting any information from outside of the country.
These days, I have read that Norks favor thumb drives with (illegal in North Korea) South Korean TV shows and movies recorded on them. A lot of that comes into North Korea from China.
Regarding the mentality of the average Nork, I had a friend who was a Soviet Jew, who left mother Russia in the 1980's, while he was in his 50s. As an aside once, he told me that the mentality of someone who has grown up under Communism is very difficult for the mind of the westerner, who grew up in freedom, to understand. The person accustomed to life in a communist country depends on the state for everything, including their world view. In other words, videos of Norks weeping and mourning over the death of a monster like Kim Jong Il may not be as insincere as western viewers might think. Obviously some are aware of reality, but as I understand it, the North Korean government supplies two main motivators to keep the elite toeing the line: severe punishment (deserved or not) for infractions, plus fear of losing their some-animals-are-more-equal-than-others lifestyle (privileges).*
If a Nork soldier tried to cross into the south, I'm sure the other Norks would 1) try to kill him, and regardless of whether they succeed or not, 2) round up his whole extended family for labor camps and/or execution.
*This, BTW, is the main reason I don't believe the Norks are serious about warring against the ROK. While they could certainly do massive damage to the South, they know that ultimately China will not support them as before, and when they lose, as they inevitably will, the elite will no longer be able to enjoy their better-than-average lives. The Norks have no real interest in war; they only wish to create tension which can be exploited.
These days, I have read that Norks favor thumb drives with (illegal in North Korea) South Korean TV shows and movies recorded on them. A lot of that comes into North Korea from China.
Regarding the mentality of the average Nork, I had a friend who was a Soviet Jew, who left mother Russia in the 1980's, while he was in his 50s. As an aside once, he told me that the mentality of someone who has grown up under Communism is very difficult for the mind of the westerner, who grew up in freedom, to understand. The person accustomed to life in a communist country depends on the state for everything, including their world view. In other words, videos of Norks weeping and mourning over the death of a monster like Kim Jong Il may not be as insincere as western viewers might think. Obviously some are aware of reality, but as I understand it, the North Korean government supplies two main motivators to keep the elite toeing the line: severe punishment (deserved or not) for infractions, plus fear of losing their some-animals-are-more-equal-than-others lifestyle (privileges).*
If a Nork soldier tried to cross into the south, I'm sure the other Norks would 1) try to kill him, and regardless of whether they succeed or not, 2) round up his whole extended family for labor camps and/or execution.
*This, BTW, is the main reason I don't believe the Norks are serious about warring against the ROK. While they could certainly do massive damage to the South, they know that ultimately China will not support them as before, and when they lose, as they inevitably will, the elite will no longer be able to enjoy their better-than-average lives. The Norks have no real interest in war; they only wish to create tension which can be exploited.
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Check the other thread in the forum:
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Check the other thread in the forum:
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