Nested flights on KLM
Jun 25, 2007 | 9:54 am
#1
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Nested flights on KLM
I have looked up some discussions about nested flights on FT and found long discussions, that finally would make me believe that it is no problem. Still I wanted to confirm this, since I maybe have such a situation coming up next week.
The question:
Can I fly return from A to B via C and nest a return from B to D via C? Or are there any rule restrictions with KLM that would give problems? C will be Amsterdam, the other airports are all in Europe, so that no visa problems can occur.
This means:
Ticket 1: A -> C -> B
Ticket 2: B -> C -> D
Ticket 2: B <- C <- D
Ticket 1: A <- C <- B
I think there should not be any problem with the fare rules, neither with their terms and conditions, since I fly all segments within one ticket in the order I have booked them and I do fly all segments.
Thanks!
The question:
Can I fly return from A to B via C and nest a return from B to D via C? Or are there any rule restrictions with KLM that would give problems? C will be Amsterdam, the other airports are all in Europe, so that no visa problems can occur.
This means:
Ticket 1: A -> C -> B
Ticket 2: B -> C -> D
Ticket 2: B <- C <- D
Ticket 1: A <- C <- B
I think there should not be any problem with the fare rules, neither with their terms and conditions, since I fly all segments within one ticket in the order I have booked them and I do fly all segments.
Thanks!
Jun 26, 2007 | 12:12 am
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Agreed, no problem at all.
Even no problem when doing this in a way an airline might object to (but has no legal ground for this anyway), which is:
1: A->B
2: B->A
2: A->B
1: B->A
People used to do this to circumvent Sat/Sun night stay restrictions. Also useful if the B->A->B fare is lower than the A->B->A fare, and you need to do 2 trips.
Even no problem when doing this in a way an airline might object to (but has no legal ground for this anyway), which is:
1: A->B
2: B->A
2: A->B
1: B->A
People used to do this to circumvent Sat/Sun night stay restrictions. Also useful if the B->A->B fare is lower than the A->B->A fare, and you need to do 2 trips.
Jun 26, 2007 | 2:23 pm
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I've heared of KLM bumping people who booked nested flights because KLM thought they were 'frauding' with flight fares. Its even been in the papers a couple of years ago. However, it seems they somehow made this topic cool down again.
Jun 28, 2007 | 11:30 am
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Over 4-6 months in early 2000 I commuted weekly between OSL and AMS together with about 6-8 colleagues. Down on Monday morning, back on Friday afternoon.
The entire time while this project lasted, our corporate travel agent routinely booked us with nested tickets for these trips.
- Ticket A: OSL-AMS on Monday, AMS-OSL Friday the following week.
- Ticket B: AMS-OSL on Friday, OSL-AMS on Monday three days later.
Obviously with the aim to save cost by booking every tickets with a Saturday night stay.
I don't know what provisions an airline has under the law to strike down on such ticketing, but it's obviously something they do not like. I believe they will, and are probably within their rights to, go after the passengers FF account up to and including removing the account and any miles.
AFAIK nobody in my group ever receveid any notes or comments from KL, neither when travelling nor when crediting miles to their FF programs.
Maybe the policies, written and unwritten, were different in 2000 than they are today?
Jun 28, 2007 | 11:26 pm
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A story:
Over 4-6 months in early 2000 I commuted weekly between OSL and AMS together with about 6-8 colleagues. Down on Monday morning, back on Friday afternoon.
The entire time while this project lasted, our corporate travel agent routinely booked us with nested tickets for these trips.
- Ticket A: OSL-AMS on Monday, AMS-OSL Friday the following week.
- Ticket B: AMS-OSL on Friday, OSL-AMS on Monday three days later.
Obviously with the aim to save cost by booking every tickets with a Saturday night stay.
I don't know what provisions an airline has under the law to strike down on such ticketing, but it's obviously something they do not like. I believe they will, and are probably within their rights to, go after the passengers FF account up to and including removing the account and any miles.
AFAIK nobody in my group ever receveid any notes or comments from KL, neither when travelling nor when crediting miles to their FF programs.
Maybe the policies, written and unwritten, were different in 2000 than they are today?
Over 4-6 months in early 2000 I commuted weekly between OSL and AMS together with about 6-8 colleagues. Down on Monday morning, back on Friday afternoon.
The entire time while this project lasted, our corporate travel agent routinely booked us with nested tickets for these trips.
- Ticket A: OSL-AMS on Monday, AMS-OSL Friday the following week.
- Ticket B: AMS-OSL on Friday, OSL-AMS on Monday three days later.
Obviously with the aim to save cost by booking every tickets with a Saturday night stay.
I don't know what provisions an airline has under the law to strike down on such ticketing, but it's obviously something they do not like. I believe they will, and are probably within their rights to, go after the passengers FF account up to and including removing the account and any miles.
AFAIK nobody in my group ever receveid any notes or comments from KL, neither when travelling nor when crediting miles to their FF programs.
Maybe the policies, written and unwritten, were different in 2000 than they are today?
I can understand they don't like it, but WHAT did you do wrong? You did fly the first part with the first ticket and did return the last part with the first ticket. You also did use the second flight the second ticket etc. You followed the rules of their tickets, so I really don't understand how they could come to you...