Definition of standby has changed over the years. As in use today, standby is not the same thing as day of departure. If you meant day of departure, you should have said so.

How much do you wanna bet that not every one who disagrees with you flies on company money? It's funny how egocentric your opinions are. I maintain a Platinum and 3 Golds. Even the thee golds trump the number of miles flown by you. So there.

Hmm . . . . I have just re-read my post twice, but can not find any reference to NW, let alone any benefits I allegedly expect. All I did was provide some information on benefits previously offered by KL.

I have never flown NW, nor do I have any reason to believe that I shall want to do so in the foreseeable future. What benefits that airline may or may not choose to offer its own or other airlines' elites is completely irrelevant to me. You may therefore rest assured that I shall not attempt to deprive you of any upgrades to which you believe you are more entitled than I am.

What makes you think I ever thought that? You may wish to attempt to read my post again, slowly and carefully. It is all of three sentences long and contains only a few words of more than two syllables, so it shouldn't be too difficult to comprehend. If you are successful, you will discover that I nowhere mention NW, its elites, or what I think. I provided a simple statement of fact, nothing else.

Your belief is based on the assumption that availability is the same for members of all partner programs. You may well be mistaken. Many airlines have larger allocations for members of their own programs.

Being a generous person, I hope that you will secure all the upgrades your heart desires, and trust that you will enjoy your flights even more than usual in the secure knowledge that your seat was not given to a less deserving passenger.

johan

To avoid future misunderstandings, we can perhaps all agree on this definition :

"Of, relating to, or waiting for unreserved travel space that is made available by an airline only shortly before departure: standby passengers." (The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright � 2004)

johan

Funny thing johan but I wondered that as well.

Other funny thing as well is that whenever I have searched on FD for C awards I can't recall ever having being offered any on NW metal, thay have always been on KLM metal!

pmcg

I believe that this post should have ben dircted at the poster who was confused about and thought that the day of the departure upgrade would be a standby upgrade evebn if it was done hours before departure.

When I used "you" I did not mean to imply you. I should have used the third person pronoun one so as to be clearer. I have seen posts in the past where poster(s) was(were) complaining about having their upgrade cancelled NW repeatedly when KLM had upgraded her as being ufair. Since I have neither read FD nor FB rules, I do not know whether the benefit was extended to NW flights but the posters in referred to certainly expected it, and continued to have KLM reinstate the upgrade. Before you jump to say that but NW did not allow it, I should point out that one poster claimed that one NW specific agent was mean and was instrumental in having her upgrade cancelled. There was something similar about a Gold poster about NW domestic FC upgrades. My memory is a bit vague at this point, but it's posts with this tone that lead one to think that FD members were getting upgrades on NW metal.

See my response above. There are certain people in any programme who like to work around the system or want to push a benefit beyond the limits of applicability. That would be the case, if the WBC upgrades were not applicable to FD members on NW metal. Whether you fly NW or not is not relevant to me, es epcially if you abide by the rules and do not throw temper tantrums as some posters seemed to have indicated in their post.

Have you never seen the use of "you" as applying to a third person in general, or in the sense collective you? You may wish to re read my post with the knowledge of the sense in which I used "you". If you wish, you may mentally replace you in that post by one, where you felt you were being personally implicated. There are definitely some people who felt that the benefit wasllowed even on NW metal and threw tamper tantrums when they couldn't get it.

My belief is based on what I have read in FD forum.

There is no need to escalate this discussion to sarcasm. I hope you understand how I used the pronoun "you". Nothing I said was intended to implicate you personally. I believe you assumed you were personally being blamed. You were not.

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Pleeeeeeease Johann, for the sake of all others, don't answer!

You folks seem to know all about KLM & NWA upgrade policies. Would anyone be able to help me out ? I've got an anyfare upgrade to Europe that expires on 5/22. I'm leaving JFK on 5/21 to WAW through AMS. The 800# NWA csr has advised me that my $750 "consolidator's" ticket is not a "published fare" eligible for an upgrade. Is there any way that I can use this upgrade? Should I "rush" the ticket counter at JFK on the day of departure or try to deal with
with this by telephone. ALL SUGGESTIONS ARE APPRECIATED AND THE FIRST WINNING ANSWER WILL RECEIVE A $50 NW TCV FROM ME THAT EXPIRES 12/05.

Upgrading from B and S fare only is a reduction of benefits for KL FF'ers. There need not be any discussion about it. Most people will be very angry about it, but just remember that it is the carriers decision to do this and it is their right to do so!

As a frequent KL pax i am happy about it! Dont shoot me , but I live in Asia and never had a chance to join FD. However, using my miles for upgrades from those mentioned B & S fares on KL as a NW WP Asia GE is impossible. (Pick any date, call WP in HKG any give it a try) . This is due KL and FD, despite the fact that KL co-manages WP Asia.

Dont blame me for looking forward to spending my miles with a little more ease.

You know your opinion is not very popular here.

It is not going to be easier for you to upgrade (especially since you are a GE) - so enjoy your glee while it lasts.

The last thing I want is a yes-no argument, but please indulge me;
Why would it not get easier for WP Asia members, when it seems FD members have much less trouble.
The elimination of the 'FD Platinum army' and the removal of any fare upgardes will create more availibility. If i am wrong please tell me why.

On your other 2 points. In WP miles have to be flown to reach status, unlike FD, as you very well know and the last thing I want to do is 'glee' about it. It is very sad for FD menbers that this great aspect will be lost.

Glee? It's so childish to put it in these terms. If you lose the benfeit, I will neither be sorry, nor will I gloat. On the otherhand if you continue to enjoy it, I will be irritated, but I won't lose any sleep over it.