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Old Jul 2, 2016, 7:36 am
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KLM to install beer tap(s) on board

KLM is planning to offer draft beer* on board long haul flights. Initially only at specific special flights, but if proves to be successful also on normal long haul flights.

* 'Beer' being Heineken



Link (in dutch): http://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/bier-...ogte~a4330572/
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Old Jul 2, 2016, 9:38 am
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Self-service for business class, as in the Crown Lounges?

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Old Jul 2, 2016, 10:17 am
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Indefinitely postponed due to certification issues, according to Luchtvaartnieuws.nl.

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Old Jul 2, 2016, 2:45 pm
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Anybody know why CO2 canisters are forbidden onboard flights? I thought they were in all the lifejackets, and then there are oxygen canisters as well. Does it have to do with the size of the canisters involved?
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Old Jul 4, 2016, 12:47 am
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Old Jul 4, 2016, 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by SchmeckFlyer
Anybody know why CO2 canisters are forbidden onboard flights? I thought they were in all the lifejackets, and then there are oxygen canisters as well. Does it have to do with the size of the canisters involved?
I can imagine that, due to the variance in air pressure, the result will be very different depending on flight level. The canisters are under equal pressure irrelevant of flight level, while the cabin pressure is not. At sea level it may work well - while at cruising altitude the pressure difference is much bigger - causing the beer tap to become a beer fountain. Just a guess though..
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Old Jul 4, 2016, 5:32 am
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Originally Posted by Xandrios
I can imagine that, due to the variance in air pressure, the result will be very different depending on flight level. The canisters are under equal pressure irrelevant of flight level, while the cabin pressure is not. At sea level it may work well - while at cruising altitude the pressure difference is much bigger - causing the beer tap to become a beer fountain. Just a guess though..
Aircraft cabins are pressurized to an altitude far below many mountain towns who all serve beer on tap no problem. I don't think that's the issue.
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Old Jul 4, 2016, 9:56 am
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Aircraft cabins are pressurized to an altitude far below many mountain towns who all serve beer on tap no problem. I don't think that's the issue.
Right, not to mention the pressure regulator, which is there to....regulate the pressure.
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Old Jul 4, 2016, 12:59 pm
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SchmeckFlyer
Anybody know why CO2 canisters are forbidden onboard flights? I thought they were in all the lifejackets, and then there are oxygen canisters as well. Does it have to do with the size of the canisters involved?
I'm guessing these particular tanks haven't been tested and rated for the large number of pressure cycles that they would have to go through.

I would also guess ('cause i'm not an expert) that any containment failure is a bad failure on an aircraft, even if no shrapnel flies around the cabin like popcorn.

Also, how much would that CO2 container change the CO2/N2/O2 mixture in the air and trip a low-oxygen alarm, potentially dropping the oxygen masks unnecessarily? Would it be a dangerous mix to breathe (eg not enough O2)? How long would it take for the system to get the ratio to get back to normal ?

I'd be worried about the explosion from fatigue before that though.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 12:42 pm
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