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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 9:30 pm
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Any idea if JetBlue will ever serve Philadelphia? Would be GREAT to see them there. Now that DL is discontinuing it's PHL-BOS route, that might be good for JetBlue!
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Old Sep 15, 2009 | 10:39 pm
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Any idea if JetBlue will ever serve Philadelphia? Would be GREAT to see them there. Now that DL is discontinuing it's PHL-BOS route, that might be good for JetBlue!
I wouldn't be suprised if this is a station that B6 has always kept an eye on. If they do move in, I would expect a turf war from WN (i.e. BOS-BWI). If there is any way the numbers would make sense they would do it. However, I think JetBlue is making more money on the carribean routes right now.
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat13c
I wouldn't be suprised if this is a station that B6 has always kept an eye on. If they do move in, I would expect a turf war from WN (i.e. BOS-BWI). If there is any way the numbers would make sense they would do it. However, I think JetBlue is making more money on the carribean routes right now.
WN doesn't offer PHL-BOS though (nor PHL-CLT), and I don't think they will offer PHL-BOS because it'll dilute PVD and MHT's flights, and overall purpose. All the PVD and MHT folk will cry foul, if their airport is eliminated.

JetBlue's presence might be a turf war with US, for all the routes WN doesn't fly nonstop from PHL.

The BOS-PHL-BOS traveler doesn't get as screwed nearly as bad as the PHL-BOS-PHL traveler however. The former can ask their pal/parent to drop them off at PVD or MHT, park their own car at either airport, or book a BOS-PHL-EWR (1 way) via US which runs for $100 and just leave at PHL, not taking the PHL-EWR segment.

The PHL flier can't do any of those.

The whole situation however benefits Amtrak, who gets customers traveling south to BWI, customers taking Amtrak all the way, or customers between PVD and BOS.

I think JetBlue (or maybe already existant AirTran) could silently move into ACY, and offer an AM flight and afternoon flight to BOS, if they want to avoid an unprofitable turf war. Something Spirit doesn't realize to do, as they only offer a 5:25pm flight which I think is a middle point between Myrtle Beach and BOS. They consider ACY more as a small resort type airport, but SJTA has been focusing on ACY towards PHL folks.

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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 1:06 pm
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I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat13c
I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.
I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 2:21 pm
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I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US.
I thought DL will discontinue PHL-BOS??
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 2:22 pm
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Originally Posted by rtalk25
The PHL flier can't do any of those.
Drive to EWR.
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat13c
I respect your arguement, rtalk25, but I garuntee you that WN will start PHL-BOS serve the minute JetBlue does. JetBlue will snatch all the people closer to BOS that were driving to MHT and PVD for the cheaper WN fares (atleast people who fly LCC's because they think they are cheaper) not to mention service the B6 provides. Just look what happened with BOS-BWI.
B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
I thought DL will discontinue PHL-BOS??
Yes, they did. Its has been discontinuation by earlier 2009.
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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.
There is a difference between demand and profits. You may have a demand there but may not be a profit. I highly doubt that EWR-ACY will produce a profit. You might be able to eek out a profit with the CLE-ACY market (taking connections into a factor) but there is also a hundred routes in the same boat.
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Old Sep 18, 2009 | 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.
I wasn't suggesting that B6 will start that service. I was using that post to prove my point from post #2 in this thread.
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by dieuwer2
Drive to EWR.

Doesn't make sense at all.

Factor in:
1. Take a train to EWR: time consuming on NJ Transit, and/or drive via NJ Turnpike: heavy traffic and tolls.
2. Then fly from EWR back into PHL: redundant , to head to BOS.
3. cost of checked bags on US

The nonstop flights via US (from PHL) and CO (from EWR) generally range from $250-$550 easily.


A better solution from the Philly side, is to drive to the Wilmington, Del Amtrak station (no toll from Philly, $4 from So. NJ, but an easy drive from So. NJ via I-295) book a $34 Amtrak ticket to BWI, then the $39 JetBlue or Southwest ticket from BWI-BOS. Of course, you'd hope for no delays on Amtrak to avoid being delayed to the airport.

Still it consumes 4-7 hours or almost a day of travel with the drive, the train ride, then getting to the airport, or probably the same vice versa going into PVD, then figuring the way to BOS affordably, or taking Amtrak all the way.

ACY is about a 1 hour drive from Philly.
The ACY-BOS flight via Spirit is the shortest duration for still < $100, reaching BOS (not PVD or MHT), but there is only 1 flight a day via Spirit. Fares can be as low as $29 (+ $19 checked bag fee).

SJTA is advertising ACY all the way up by Newark Airport. Nice but useless. I can't see a great benefit from someone in Northern or Central NJ driving down to ACY, pay all the tolls, to fly on AirTran or Spirit, both with checked bag fees. SJTA could be doing a lot more advertising just within the eastern half of the Philadephia metro. AirTran has more Atlanta flights, and connections, from PHL anyways, so they can't make ACY more enticing on that airline for those where ACY is really out of the way.

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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
I don't think such good idea for flying PHL-BOS due to direct competitive FL, DL, US. I think it will able to kept WN service for PHL-MHT. I knows the routes are very sustainable out PHL-MHT instead of BOS. It doesnt need to get another route for PHL-BOS both WN & B6. This is not specific time both WN & B6 isn't getting more potential new routes. It is not possibility for flying to BOS but, they are tougher competition against US & FL. I don't see what happening anytime soon.
FL and DL don't fly PHL-BOS anymore. Only US.
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by ConciergeMike
B6 could make a killing with E190's on HPN/SWF-ACY. It's too low-demand to waste JFK slots on, but there is a market there, just I told the VP of Reservations at CO that CLE-ACY and restoring the old EWR-ACY were worth a second look.
Thanks for the laugh. First off, HPN is slotted and SWF has very little demand to anywhere. Secondly, who in their right mind would fly when it takes less total time to drive?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by rtalk25
FL and DL don't fly PHL-BOS anymore. Only US.
Gotcha! Thanks! I didn't realize know that. That's why both FL & DL has been discontinuation for PHL-BOS due to poorly performance. Perhaps I think WN will have to be considers service BOS-PHL for next connection flight ongoing to west coast or further south.
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