Is T6 Shut Down?
Nov 19, 2008 | 10:02 am
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The trumpet was moved off the airport ground and/or destroyed. I'm not exactly sure what they did with it but an agreement was reached with the historical society that allowed us to remove it and do something with it. I'm not too sure what exactly happened.
I believe the $8 million incorporated the removal of the jetbridges, seats, and necessary equipment and place them into T5. It also incorporates the needed ramp repair that is needed to support the weight of the moving aircraft and all the improvements in the concrete. It would also include the destruction and removal of the T6prime facility as well as all of the costs associated with that.
I believe the $8 million incorporated the removal of the jetbridges, seats, and necessary equipment and place them into T5. It also incorporates the needed ramp repair that is needed to support the weight of the moving aircraft and all the improvements in the concrete. It would also include the destruction and removal of the T6prime facility as well as all of the costs associated with that.
Nov 19, 2008 | 10:51 am
#32
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T5 long walk from Airtrain -
I dont know If some one has discussed about this already, I was there last week end, It was really a long walk to the new terminal. Though they had soo many security check gates, most of them were closed and people were still lining up.
The interior was Amazing ...!! I was under the impression there are going to use the TWA building also, any idea whats going to happen to that?
I some how miss the land side of T6
The interior was Amazing ...!! I was under the impression there are going to use the TWA building also, any idea whats going to happen to that?
I some how miss the land side of T6
Nov 19, 2008 | 2:11 pm
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And $8M for all of that is starting to sound more reasonable. Still seems high to me, but NYC's a union town and construction prices, especially materials, are terribly high today.
Nov 19, 2008 | 2:14 pm
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I dont know If some one has discussed about this already, I was there last week end, It was really a long walk to the new terminal. Though they had soo many security check gates, most of them were closed and people were still lining up.
The interior was Amazing ...!! I was under the impression there are going to use the TWA building also, any idea whats going to happen to that?
I some how miss the land side of T6
The interior was Amazing ...!! I was under the impression there are going to use the TWA building also, any idea whats going to happen to that?
I some how miss the land side of T6
Nov 19, 2008 | 3:24 pm
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Terminal 5 Trumpet
That is where it was suppose to sit but according to this New York Times article the trumpet has been destroyed.
One element of the Saarinen building will almost certainly not be salvaged: the trumpet-shaped flight departure lounge that used to sit at the end of one of the tubular corridors. Last year, at a cost of about $800,000, it was cut apart from the rest of the structure and moved about 1,500 feet to get it out of the way of construction crews while preservationists, airport officials and airline executives tried to figure out if it could be reused.
Though Mr. DeCota declined to say flatly on Thursday that nothing could be done with the trumpet structure, he hinted strongly that the money needed to renovate it which he put at more than $10 million would be better spent on the Saarinen head house.
The Municipal Art Society, a civic organization that belongs to the redevelopment advisory committee involved with the Saarinen building, believes that any decision to destroy the trumpet structure would be premature, fiscally irresponsible and historically inappropriate, said Frank E. Sanchis III, the societys senior vice president.
Mr. Sanchis said that the fate of the trumpet was discussed without consulting the redevelopment committee and that the cost estimates were inflated. On Thursday, the art group appealed to the federal Advisory Council on Historic Preservation in Washington to intervene
Though Mr. DeCota declined to say flatly on Thursday that nothing could be done with the trumpet structure, he hinted strongly that the money needed to renovate it which he put at more than $10 million would be better spent on the Saarinen head house.
The Municipal Art Society, a civic organization that belongs to the redevelopment advisory committee involved with the Saarinen building, believes that any decision to destroy the trumpet structure would be premature, fiscally irresponsible and historically inappropriate, said Frank E. Sanchis III, the societys senior vice president.
Mr. Sanchis said that the fate of the trumpet was discussed without consulting the redevelopment committee and that the cost estimates were inflated. On Thursday, the art group appealed to the federal Advisory Council on Historic Preservation in Washington to intervene
From my waiting outside for the hotel van the other night I was able to peer into the old TWA building. It looks like the entire inside is filled with scaffolding and it is being renovated.
Nov 19, 2008 | 6:13 pm
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T5
Landed at T5 and thought it was nice (all I did was walk from my gate to the luggage area) . The luggage are was much improved over T6. Looks much betterr than T6 .
Nov 21, 2008 | 2:05 am
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Interesting... After seeing the pictures of trumpet structure sitting at the end of T5, it definitely looked out of place.
In hindsight, it would have been nice if the T5 architects had designed a trumpet-like flute at the end of T5 as a nod to what was once there. Such a gesture certainly wouldn't have cost the "$10M" that they claim it would have cost to restore the original trumpet and would have created an amazing lounge with a view of 4L-22R & 13L-31R. Or a bar, lounge w/couches, or who knows.
In hindsight, it would have been nice if the T5 architects had designed a trumpet-like flute at the end of T5 as a nod to what was once there. Such a gesture certainly wouldn't have cost the "$10M" that they claim it would have cost to restore the original trumpet and would have created an amazing lounge with a view of 4L-22R & 13L-31R. Or a bar, lounge w/couches, or who knows.
Nov 21, 2008 | 5:13 am
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As a lifelong admirer of TWA and T-5 I am thrilled that the Saarinen terminal was retained (although I sincerely hope it doesn't become some kind of ridiculous shopping mall) but the loss of the trumpet is, in my mind, not a huge loss.
I am glad they kept the tubes which were, like the TWA Flight Center itself, unique and determining features of flying out of the old TWA T-5.
As far as the gate areas, I think all of the TWA veterans will agree with me that these left much to be desired, even if they had been fully restored. The trumpet may have appealed to a small number of preservationists, but I would doubt that even they would claim the trumpet represented the kind of outstanding architecture that the terminal bldg and the tubes did.
jetBlue did great retaining what they did. Now it's time to tweak the current T-5 to work out the few bugs that affect any new operation.
I am glad they kept the tubes which were, like the TWA Flight Center itself, unique and determining features of flying out of the old TWA T-5.
As far as the gate areas, I think all of the TWA veterans will agree with me that these left much to be desired, even if they had been fully restored. The trumpet may have appealed to a small number of preservationists, but I would doubt that even they would claim the trumpet represented the kind of outstanding architecture that the terminal bldg and the tubes did.
jetBlue did great retaining what they did. Now it's time to tweak the current T-5 to work out the few bugs that affect any new operation.