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nasaman21 Apr 15, 2008 11:15 am

Will B6 fly to MSP?
 
Now that DL/NW are one, will B6 fly to MSP?

jetBlueNYFL Apr 15, 2008 11:34 am

I believe MSP was on B6's radar for some time, but we will only see another new city or 2 at most this year.

j3823x Apr 15, 2008 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by nasaman21 (Post 9576394)
Now that DL/NW are one, will B6 fly to MSP?

Why would them being one (at the earliest several months from now) even matter? Its not like they were sharing MSP a hub.

JetBlueFA Apr 15, 2008 2:23 pm

No new US cities this year unless something dramatic changes.

Brigri Apr 15, 2008 2:31 pm

With Oil at another record I think we will start to see some cuts in flights now. It is getting real expensive to fly to the marginal cities now. Parking the planes for 5-6 hours instead of doing a turn is actually going to be cheaper. This is starting to get really ugly, but the climate right now is to hang on and hopefully weather the storm.

JetBlueFA Apr 15, 2008 6:47 pm

$100/barrel oil is here to stay, companies are going to start looking for ways to survive in this new environment. Whether it's merging or charging for seats, companies are going to do whatever it takes. Even after the reported merger between Delta and Northwest I don't think you will see a pull down of MSP or DTW. We can't afford to throw planes and money at cities that are fortresses like DTW or MSP, it could/would hurt our bottom line. We are prolly going to go after new routes with little competition or routes that are well under utilized. I think the rest of this year is going to be a quiet restful year for JetBlue.

BearX220 Apr 16, 2008 12:22 am


Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 9579113)
I think the rest of this year is going to be a quiet restful year for JetBlue.

I hope so, but it is going to be pretty darn quiet and restful at MSP in a year or two when the NW/DL thing executes and the combined airline draws down unneeded hubs. That will create opportunity for B6 and VX that I hope they are able to take advantage of.

sbm12 Apr 16, 2008 5:40 am


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 9580536)
I hope so, but it is going to be pretty darn quiet and restful at MSP in a year or two when the NW/DL thing executes and the combined airline draws down unneeded hubs. That will create opportunity for B6 and VX that I hope they are able to take advantage of.

I'd look to MEM and CVG before MSP as potential hubs that DL/NW would trash. MSP is not a sure thing to last, but more likely than the other two.

BearX220 Apr 16, 2008 10:06 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 9581252)
MSP is not a sure thing to last, but more likely than the other two.

I would say nothing at the new DL is a sure thing to last except ATL. They are pitching a load of hooey over there about preserving all seven domestic hubs, but that would defy the rationale for absorbing NW in the first place, which is to create one more efficient network with fewer choices and higher prices. As the combined airline retracts to resemble the pre-merger DL plus some juicy Asia routes and a bunch of RJs serving captive midwest markets, I would be willing to bet you'll be able to hold Sunday afternoon drag races on MSP's main runway without disturbing ops.

If B6/F9/VX can just stay healthy while this retraction occurs there will be plenty of expansion opportunity.

JetBlueFA Apr 16, 2008 10:22 am

Here is what I see going on with the New Delta and hubs

ATL - enough said
JFK - TransAtlantic Gateway
DTW - Brand Spankn' new Gateway and supported by Michigan
SLC - West Coast Gateway
LAX - West Coast North/South Flying as well as Japan Gateway
NRT - To keep the Northwest Intra-Japan flying

Gone
CVG
MSP

hobo13 Apr 16, 2008 12:29 pm

strangely, you don't mention MEM.


Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 9582588)
Here is what I see going on with the New Delta and hubs

ATL - enough said
JFK - TransAtlantic Gateway
DTW - Brand Spankn' new Gateway and supported by Michigan
SLC - West Coast Gateway
LAX - West Coast North/South Flying as well as Japan Gateway
NRT - To keep the Northwest Intra-Japan flying

Gone
CVG
MSP


sbm12 Apr 16, 2008 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 9582588)
Here is what I see going on with the New Delta and hubs

ATL - enough said
JFK - TransAtlantic Gateway
DTW - Brand Spankn' new Gateway and supported by Michigan
SLC - West Coast Gateway
LAX - West Coast North/South Flying as well as Japan Gateway
NRT - To keep the Northwest Intra-Japan flying

Gone
CVG
MSP

Closting MSP will cost them hundreds of millions of dollars. Probably not going to happen too soon.

They can continue to call them all hubs and just reduce the number flights in some of them to right-size things.

JetBlueFA Apr 16, 2008 1:46 pm


Originally Posted by hobo13 (Post 9583410)
strangely, you don't mention MEM.

Opps, forgot about MEM. MEM would be on my list of downsizing and possible closure.

Horace Apr 16, 2008 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 9582588)
Gone
CVG
MSP

MSP is considered a "fortress hub."

Regardless of what other hubs the merged carrier may keep or drop, I expect them to keep MSP. Northwest dominates MSP with a 67% market share. That's a big asset that Northwest brings to the merger. I can't see them giving that up.

With a Google search, I found this interesting article from earlier this year: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...20News/984251/

The article begins:
A merger between Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines could begin a dramatic reshaping of the aviation industry but lead to only small changes in the importance of Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to the combined carrier.

The reason is simple: Northwest makes a lot of money in the Twin Cities, a situation no suitor will want to alter.
A paragraph later in the article comments about Northwest's 67% market share at MSP:
That kind of dominance makes it easier to make profits. People who fly from MSP pay an average of 21 percent more than fliers taking comparable trips from other U.S. airports, according to the research of Gerchick-Murphy Associates, a Washington-based airline consulting firm.
Also, keep in mind that Northwest kept MSP and DTW, before, during, and after Northwest's Chapter 11 reorganization.

Northwest has an estimated 60% market share and a spectacular new terminal at DTW.

Northwest brings these two airports, where their dominant market share allows them to charge more, to the merger. They're not just hubs; they're also big origin and destination markets.

I can see the merged carrier reducing service at CVG and MEM, due to redundancy with DTW and ATL. Even at CVG and MEM, the merged carrier is likely to try to keep a dominant market position.

Seat13c Apr 16, 2008 3:01 pm

I have flown through DTW twice in the last 3 years on trips to Japan (EWR-DTW-NGO-DTW-EWR and LGA-DTW-NRT-NGO-DTW-EWR). It is a very nice, bright, and open terminal. Its a great asset to have and operate in. However, it does come down to one simple, underlying principle... does it pay the bills and, perhaps, leave a little change in their pockets at the end of the day?


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