E-190 Legroom
 

I'm on a flight tonight from IAD to MCO...a/c is the E-190. When I booked the ticket, I was expecting an A-320 with the 34-36''+ legroom. JetBlue says the back rows on the E-190 have 33''. Anyone know what the exit-row has?

Correct, me if I'm wrong, but JetBlue hands out the Exit Rows at the airport, right?

Thanks!

http://www.jetblue.com/about/whyyoul...erseatmap.html

Exit rows can be reserved during booking. I do it all the time. (And occasionally check the seatmap to see when one opens up.)

(The E190 only has one row, though)

If it makes you feel better, what you lost in pitch, you gained in width (almost half an inch wider than the A320 seats, and you are guaranteed to get satellite radio, too.

They give out the exit rows during booking? Last time I fly B6 on an E-190 probably. I took this flight because I figured it was an A-320 and the they were just murdering AirTran on the price, and I figured with just a little less room on B6 than AirTran J-class...

Damn.

Also annoys me that B6 tells you how much legroom is in each seat...experienced travelers who do research should get the good seats, not the damn tourists. I'm gonna be pissed if the Disney World crew is in the Exit Row.

Well considering that I had to do the research FOR you....

Why don't you go try to change your seat right now on jetblue.com? Iit will let you know immediately if the exit row is available right now....you might be moaning about nothing right now. Besides, its a relatively short flight.

At least the Disney World crew is happy about getting on the plane...

Well you didn't do the research for me. You told me what I knew already excepting that they book exit rows rather than assign them at the airport. I had already seen their seat map as well as SeatGuru's. What I was looking for was if someone knew the exact pitch.

I've already checked the seat map, but I'll check again before I leave for IAD. What annoys me is that B6 talks about their great seat pitch, but that's only on the A-320. I would not have booked this flight if I had know it would be an E-190...I'd have flown AirTran J-class and paid the higher fare.

I had a lovely experience on B6 MCO-JFK with the 36'' pitch and I thought I'd get the same thing here...obviously wrong. 36'' seat pitch is fine, but 32/33'' is borderline at best. IAD-MCO is a 2 hr, 20 min flight, and in 32/33'' pitch for someone that's 6'7, that's not a short flight.

I'll make do...don't want to sound all whiny, but I do not like airlines that give away the exits online. Unless I am totally wrong about this E-190 flight experience, B6 won't be getting my business on anything that I am not positive is an A-320 route.

I appreciate the help though.

Thanks!

Why?

Actually, no.

B6 only advertises that they have the most pitch compared to the industry standard. And 33" (for me who is 5'11") is particularly great on the E190 when your seat is a bit wider.

So no false advertising here.

Where your complaint, however, is most valid (and I think implied by your "if I had known" complaint) is that nowhere in the booking process is the aircraft type made clear.

Based on the flight number, I would have guessed it was an A320. Most of the E190 flight numbers have four digits, but IAD-MCO does not. Perhaps it is a mixed use route. But regardless, its bad enough you can't pick your seat until after purchase...I don't know why B6 hides the ball even during the online booking process.

As pointed out by many a cheerleader (and I am not one) you can always call the 1-800 # to ask about seat availability/aircraft type before you end up booking online. Nevertheless, thats an unnecessary hassle.

cant comment on the 190, but Ive been on both of ATs 717 & 737 and found although their Biz is 2x2 and coach 3x3 (717 is 2 x 3) that theres alot more leg room in ATs Exit Row then in their Biz rows. sat once in Biz and everytime after in coach, on that hard seat not that Biz is much better.

If the 190 is anywhere near to the 320s seats , Id rather be on JB then AT any day of the week. Once I use up the 2 remaining free tkts, Ill only fly AT if they are the only ones using a MainLine to that destination or are so much less expensive then anyone else to get me to where Im going.


BTW only way to get the Exit Row on AT is at the Airport, yet if Im flying back the next day, I was able when getting Exit on my Outbound to have them reserve/block the Exit for the next days Inbound :p

32/33" pitch still beats most airlines 30-31" pitch...and one startups' 28" :D
Not to mention there is no middle seat, the seat is leather and wide and you have the best IFE in the sky.

36" seat pitch is not so important on the E190, as it is used on mostly shorter routes. IAD-MCO is a "medium" length flight and it won't be so bad

If flying on an E190 and not getting the exit seat is your biggest problem then I really want to live in your world.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm sure you are alrady on the flight to MCO, but I just brought that aircraft down from BOS. Great aircraft as it is one of our newer 190s. The leg room is about 33" and I feel it is plenty comfortable. I'm not a really tall person but I can strech out and be extremely comfortable! Enjoy the flight down!!!

Hey - Yeah, the flight was great actually. I did get an exit row surprsingly enough...the guy at the gate counter told me they normally have them to give away for folks that ask. As always, B6 service was great, flight was good. I did forget to look at the name on the plane though...all in all, great flight. We'll see how it is going back. The Exit had the same amount of legroom as FL business, but obviously less width. I had mixed feelings about the little arm-rest on the emergency exit door, but it didn't bother me much.

Depending on the comfort of the return flight (assuming I don't have an exit), B6 may have a new frequent flyer. I mildly missed some of the perks of FL j-class (priority boarding/deplaning, free alcohol, one FA for the business section), but the B6 price and overall service is much better. If only they flew from DCA, which is why I tend to fly AirTran. Dulles is a bit of a hassle for late afternoon flights. Definitely was happy with the flight though...very good.

Defiance - You're very much spot on about the booking. The other LCCs do the same thing it seems...only the legacies seem to show you what you're buying.

No argument from me, but I was honestly in a lot of pain one time when I was in FL coach with their 30'' pitch and stuck in a window near the rear of a 717...it was very unpleasant. 32'' is the bare minimum I care to suffer, and 34'' is what I need to be comfortable...again, I'm 6'7.

The lack of a middle seat was very nice...I really liked the set-up. Like I said above, if I'm comfortable in one of the non-exit seats, I'll probably start flying B6 regularly, especially the 190s. I really loved the lack of the middle seat, as I prefer windows, but normally take the aisle if there's a middle, in case I need to get up.

As to 28'', I am betting on Skybus being under within 2 years, unless they really jumpstart a route network outside of CMH. There's various reasons why they may go under...I doubt 28'' pitch is a major one, but I also know that no regular flyer is going to book with them for various reasons, of which the pitch is just one. I imagine vacation flyers will be willing to suffer that once a year for those cheap fares, but you'll never find me on Skybus.

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the jetBlue experience on the E190! I know you like a window, but if you can't get an exit row on the way back, try to get an aisle in the rear. This way, you can enjoy the 33" pitch (1" extra than up front) in rows 13-25. Also, since it is only 2 seats on each side, you can still see out the large windows, but IMO the aisle gives you more legroom than being crunched in the window seat.

The armrest on the door in the exit row is how all airplane manufacturers do it...it's an FAA mandate - nothing can block the actual exit in case of an emergency. But I do agree that it is not so comfortable as I have experienced it on the A320. I guess the legroom makes up for it!

The aircraft's name was "Blueprint"

The 190s is a little bit different than the 320. The 320 has a full armrest built into the door frame itself. The 190 has a little dinky one that stops mid forearm and comes out from the seat.

Thanks! I'll be sure to do that! I was really surprised by the comfort of the 190.

CitrusMCO,
I know what you mean by legroom, I'm only 5'11/6', and I still feel uncomfortable in a 32" pitch. Luckily, I haven't flown with 32" pitch since July 2001 when I flew EWR-LHR on Virgin. I flew Frontier back in September where the pitch is 33" and I was even uncomfortable then, it was only a SLC-DEN flight so I could connect to my Jetblue DEN-JFK flight so it wasn't that bad.

I haven't had the pleasure of flying the new 36" section on Jetblue yet, it seems that those seats go fast (I wonder why :D ), but I hear good things so I'll keep trying.

One, well two words, EXIT ROW. The exit row on the 320 is golden.I just booked tickets for extended family and put them in the exit row. On my commute home today I was in the exit row, 10F which doesn't recline but that doesn't matter, and I am still amazed but the amount of leg room. I was one of the last to board , I put my rollerboard as well as my tote into the overhead and practically walked into the row which already had 2 other customers seated.

The exit row is always the way to go if you want room and comfort. Same with the 190. The worse row on the 190 is row 11. They don't recline and if 10 reclines you feel compressed into your seat.

CitrusMCO, I'm glad you had a wonderful trip to MCO! If I may ask how was the temprature on board the aircraft during the flight. I had that plane yesterday, brought it down to IAD for you, and then had it again today and the temperature seemed to continously fluctuate between hot and cold even though I never touched the temp dial on my panel.

Just out of curiousity, why did you fly SLC-DEN to connect to a jetBlue JFK-DEN flight? You could have flown nonstop SLC-JFK on jetBlue! :D

Yes, the 36" rows go fast...but when you do fly in one of those seats, you're gonna LOVE it!

Since the row removal, I stopped booking my usual seats (in the old config - 11C, 11D, 12C, 12D) to sit up front for last to board, first to get off and more legroom. Are the exit rows really such a difference since the reconfiguration of the A320 seats?? I would honestly think that the pitch is about 36-37". I know it's a new FAA mandate, but I hate the fact that the window seats in an exit row don't recline. There's no point when the old system worked just fine - the FA locking the rows below 10,000 ft.

About temperature fluctuations during flight, I find this to be quite common on long haul flights. Nearly every transoceanic or transcontinental flight I have been on in my life has been freezing cold one minute and so hot the next.

I didn't notice any significant temp fluctuation, but I was on the starboard side going south, so we had the sun shining right on us with the shade closed (and the shade sure felt hot). But that could have contributed to keeping my area relatively stable if the temp was falling in other parts of the plane.

Speaking of that, those Embraer shades that pull up rather than down were kinda interesting. Unfortunately the sun was shining right in my eye and there was heavy cloud-cover, so I didn't get to use the nice sized window much.

I've got to say, I'm very much a "buy American" guy and I am more likely to fly airlines that fly Boeing aircraft for that reason, but B6's set-up on the A320 and E190 is really nice...better than anything I've seen from any Boeing configurations. I really like the bins in the E190...nice plane.

Now if B6 would just get a gate at DCA. ^

Because I'm crazy, I thought that was a requirement for Flyertalk :D.

The real reason is, I HATE redeyes and the SLC-JFK Nonstop is a redeye. David are you listening??? NO MORE REDEYE ONLY CITIES!!!! JetblueFA next time you see him maybe you can slap some sense into him. :D When people look at a route like JFK-SLC, JFK-PDX, JFK-SMF. And they see 1 flight each way (westbound late evening eastbound redeye), most people get turned off by it, which is probably why they stay 1 flight markets due to lack of demand.
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Also, question does JFK-SEA only a seasonal (summer) 2X nonstop? My brother had to go to SEA last month and he told me that he didn't fly B6 because of the time (late evening/redeye). He ended up roughing it with CO.

You do have a point about "staying 1-flight redeye markets" due to lack of demand. The redeye part makes sense for aircraft utilization purposes. But, it wouldn't hurt for jetBlue to at least *try* twice-daily service to the aforementioned cities. I'll give them some credit for adding a second SEA-JFK flight during peak season in the summer. I think PHX is 2x year round now? DEN goes up to 3 at some points I believe.

If not year-round, cities like TUS and SLC can definitely accomodate one extra flight for certain weeks of the year.

On the brief topic of transcons, I'll bring up once again that jetBlue should seriously look into MCO-SAN!!! I read somewhere (possibly here or a.net) that MCO-SAN has something like ~400 daily O&D traffic with not even one airline to serve the route nonstop. If jetBlue added a nonstop daily on the A320 to start off with (adding another one if it fills up), it would be a goldmine for them.

:-: Actually, a good percentage of the aircraft parts are manufactured in the US. Just assembled in Brazil..

I would like to see us list the aircraft type as well... As far as the four digits, that used to be the case. We have gone to our summer schedule as of May 1 and especially here in BOS we have many Airbus routes like 421 (BOSPBI) that now operates with an E190. I believe that's the case with the new IADMCO route. Although it is an Airbus series flight number, I think for the summer season you'll have an E190 on the route due to our reduced Florida frequency. Additionally, the JFKBOSJFK flights which are four digits hop back and forth between E190s and A320s.


It may be me, but with the new seating configuration I'll take anything 1-11 anyday over the exit row. It's just a tad less legroom, however, the cushioning of the seats are more padded. If you're in 10 or 11 I find that it becomes a bit uncomfortable after a couple hours.. ;)

Please be advised I am posting this on my personal behalf. It is not an official posting nor the views of JetBlue.

Airtran is starting service on that route.

UPDATE: Well, their online route map shows it, but they don't actually seem to be flying it anytime on the schedule. Anyone know if this route is to become a reality?

Lets nip this misinformation in the bud once and for good. 10A/10F don't recline. 11A and 11F do recline. Its actually 9A and 9F, non-exit row seats, that don't recline so as to allow egress out of Row 10.

http://help.jetblue.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN...se=obj(278)#s1

My seat of choice is 11A/F now.

On the brief topic of transcons, I'll bring up once again that jetBlue should seriously look into MCO-SAN!!! I read somewhere (possibly here or a.net) that MCO-SAN has something like ~400 daily O&D traffic with not even one airline to serve the route nonstop. If jetBlue added a nonstop daily on the A320 to start off with (adding another one if it fills up), it would be a goldmine for them.[/QUOTE]


It looks as if JetBlue will be opening a MCO crew base later this year or early 2008 so there is a very good chance you may get your MCO-SAN wish.

Perhaps you could put this in the Wiki FAQ at http://flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php...tBlue_TrueBlue

It has been languishing without input for several weeks.

The word on the street, well our street, is it should be late 07 if things go well this summer and loads and fares stay up like their are now. MCO has great growth potiental in both airbus as well as 190 markets.

Isn't flight attendant training (for the new recruits) in Orlando? I thought there was something big in Orlando.

Yes. All flight/Inflight/Airport Ops/Ground Ops training is done at our brand new University there.

I put in some new information on that page. I just commented on the aircraft and snacks and things of that nature. I'm not knowledgable on TrueBlue so I can't really add to that.

Have you seen the new University? Nice? Where was it before the new jetBlue University opened in Orlando? It is difficult to imagine any kind of training going on at JFK Airport.

The new university I was talking about is the JetBlue University. I actually trained down there. It is an awsome facility to train in. Any training in NYC is done at Forest Hills and not the airport. LGB and BOS have training rooms for AO and GO I believe, there may be another city that has the ability to train new hires. All flight and inflight crews are initially trained in MCO. Inflight crews are initially trained in MCO and then recieve their yearly training in either FSC or MCO.

What kind of training is done at Figari, FR (FSC)?

Haha, I wish training was done at Figari, FR. FSC for is is Forest hills Support Campus. We do recurrent training there.

JetBlue University opened in mid '05 in at MCO. Prior to that all flight and inflight training was conducted by JetBlue instructors at the North American Airbus training facility down in Miami. Whilst training in MIA was fun the new Jetblue facility in MCO blows the Airbus center out off the water.