JetBlue files for ORD slots
Oct 4, 2006, 1:31 pm
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JetBlue files for ORD slots
United doesn't fly to JFK and has all but given up on southern Florida out of ORD, but some serious competition if JetBlue wants to start up ORD-LGB compared to LAX and SNA
USA Today Blog http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/1..._jetblue_.html
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Oct 4, 2006, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by FightingIlliniUAL
United doesn't fly to JFK and has all but given up on southern Florida out of ORD, but some serious competition if JetBlue wants to start up ORD-LGB compared to LAX and SNA
USA Today Blog http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/1..._jetblue_.html
USA Today Blog http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/1..._jetblue_.html
Oct 4, 2006, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by WatchYourElbows
Doesn't seem quite right to me that AA and UAL were forced to give up slots to relieve congestion and now others are being considered new slots.
The other question is what gate(s) and terminal will they use?
Oct 4, 2006, 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by SFOtoORD
I would guess that these slots will be used for JFK and BOS first. My understanding was that they don't have many/any LGB slots left.
Oct 4, 2006, 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by WatchYourElbows
Doesn't seem quite right to me that AA and UAL were forced to give up slots to relieve congestion and now others are being considered for new slots.
Oct 4, 2006, 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by UNITED959
True, but LGB isn't *that* busy (when compared to LAX or SNA). I'm sure they could buy more.
Oct 4, 2006, 5:44 pm
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Originally Posted by UNITED959
True, but LGB isn't *that* busy (when compared to LAX or SNA). I'm sure they could buy more.
Oct 4, 2006, 6:40 pm
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I doubt that JetBlue from ORD - JFK/BOS would adversely affect UA at all. The UA fares on these routes are already dirt cheap (ORD-LGA not JFK), and I doubt JetBlue could undercut them too much.
If they were able to opperate flights to the west coast then UA might have to look into cutting fares, but it won't be as bad as Independace was at IAD. IMHO.
If they were able to opperate flights to the west coast then UA might have to look into cutting fares, but it won't be as bad as Independace was at IAD. IMHO.
Oct 4, 2006, 6:52 pm
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Originally Posted by FightingIlliniUAL
I don't think it has to do with how busy LGB is, but rather noise abatement and active community groups.
Compare that to SNA w/ the roaring takeoff procedures that take you over some of the most expensive real estate in the U.S...I'd figure LGB would be a piece of cake.
Oct 4, 2006, 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by UNITED959
I never knew that was an issue w/ LGB
"The airport is under one of the strictest ordinances in the United States on both airport noise and the number of commercial flights. The current noise levels allow for a maximum of 41 daily commercial flights and 25 commuter flights. Local community groups and activists are very vocal about any changes at the airport."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Be...icipal_Airport
Oct 4, 2006, 7:36 pm
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More information would provide context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Be...icipal_Airport
Although commercial flights are severely restricted, there are still a large number of flights at the airport from charter flights, private aviation, flight schools, law enforcement flights, helicopters, advertising blimps, planes towing advertising banners, etc. Because of that, Long Beach airport is one of the busiest general aviation airports in the world, with more than 300,000 annual general aviation operations.
Good luck finding a C-17 hushkit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Be...icipal_Airport
Although commercial flights are severely restricted, there are still a large number of flights at the airport from charter flights, private aviation, flight schools, law enforcement flights, helicopters, advertising blimps, planes towing advertising banners, etc. Because of that, Long Beach airport is one of the busiest general aviation airports in the world, with more than 300,000 annual general aviation operations.
Good luck finding a C-17 hushkit.
Oct 4, 2006, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by UNITED959
I never knew that was an issue w/ LGB...most of it is next to the 405, and the homes that aircraft overpass are not that great.
Compare that to SNA w/ the roaring takeoff procedures that take you over some of the most expensive real estate in the U.S...I'd figure LGB would be a piece of cake.
Compare that to SNA w/ the roaring takeoff procedures that take you over some of the most expensive real estate in the U.S...I'd figure LGB would be a piece of cake.
41 mainline plus (in theory) 25 "commuter" commercial flights max per day, unless and until quieter aircraft come along and more can be squeezed into the same overall "noise budget".
fascinating reading on how the scarce slots are carved up:
http://www.longbeach.gov/airport/noi..._agreement.asp
If B6 is entering ORD, it won't be ex-LGB. even with the slots, they would likely be driven out as they were from LGB-ATL.
Oct 4, 2006, 9:35 pm
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Originally Posted by FightingIlliniUAL
United doesn't fly to JFK and has all but given up on southern Florida out of ORD, but some serious competition if JetBlue wants to start up ORD-LGB compared to LAX and SNA
USA Today Blog http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/1..._jetblue_.html
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