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N830MH Feb 27, 2012 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 18092435)
looks like UA applied for DCA-SFO...i wonder if B6 goes for AUS and LGB. apparently bids have to be submitted by march 12.

Let's keep finger crossed. Whosever will win the bids. They will announced it. DOT will choose for which airlines will be.

sfozrhfco Feb 27, 2012 6:16 pm

AUS and LGB don't really fit into B6's strategy. LGB is nearly all short haul now. I can't imagine the O and D traffic between AUS and DCA would be worth it.

LAX would make more sense as long haul from the LAX basin is now focused there. SJU still makes the most sense though as they would get a premium for that.

haddon90 Feb 27, 2012 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by sfozrhfco (Post 18093328)
AUS and LGB don't really fit into B6's strategy. LGB is nearly all short haul now. I can't imagine the O and D traffic between AUS and DCA would be worth it.

LAX would make more sense as long haul from the LAX basin is now focused there. SJU still makes the most sense though as they would get a premium for that.

:confused: LGB is their west coast hub, and B6 has a pretty decent presence in AUS. so either of those for the beyond perimeter slots would make the most sense. i would be willing to bet DL/AA will get LAX so it wouldn't make much sense to try and compete with AS and DL/AA.

jj1987 Feb 28, 2012 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by sfozrhfco (Post 18093328)
AUS and LGB don't really fit into B6's strategy. LGB is nearly all short haul now. I can't imagine the O and D traffic between AUS and DCA would be worth it.

LAX would make more sense as long haul from the LAX basin is now focused there. SJU still makes the most sense though as they would get a premium for that.

Why wouldn't JB fly DCA-LGB when they flew IAD-LGB?

N830MH Feb 28, 2012 10:17 pm


Originally Posted by jj1987 (Post 18101177)
Why wouldn't JB fly DCA-LGB when they flew IAD-LGB?

No, only IAD-LGB is not a slots restrictions. DCA is a perimeter rule. Because this is slot controlled.

jj1987 Feb 29, 2012 6:30 am


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 18101222)
No, only IAD-LGB is not a slots restrictions. DCA is a perimeter rule. Because this is slot controlled.

Understood, I just took the previous post to imply JB wouldn't want those routes, which I would think the opposite, if they could get clearance.

haddon90 Feb 29, 2012 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by jj1987 (Post 18102580)
Understood, I just took the previous post to imply JB wouldn't want those routes, which I would think the opposite, if they could get clearance.

i believe B6 will go for AUS...big tech presence in AUS.

FWAAA Mar 2, 2012 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 18105614)
i believe B6 will go for AUS...big tech presence in AUS.

Perhaps you're right, but DC-Austin is a relatively small domestic market. Only about 876 daily passengers between the Capital and AUS; that's about 438 each way each day, and those 438 are spread out between BWI, IAD and DCA. Is there a market for 100 to 150 daily nonstop seats each direction between DCA and AUS? AUS-DCA is 215 passengers per day, or 108 each way.

For some perspective, daily traffic between the DC area (BWI/IAD/DCA) and greater Los Angeles (all airports) is about 5,000, or 2,500 each way. That's about 23 times the size of the DCA-AUS market.

haddon90 Mar 5, 2012 11:29 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 18121714)
Perhaps you're right, but DC-Austin is a relatively small domestic market. Only about 876 daily passengers between the Capital and AUS; that's about 438 each way each day, and those 438 are spread out between BWI, IAD and DCA. Is there a market for 100 to 150 daily nonstop seats each direction between DCA and AUS? AUS-DCA is 215 passengers per day, or 108 each way.

For some perspective, daily traffic between the DC area (BWI/IAD/DCA) and greater Los Angeles (all airports) is about 5,000, or 2,500 each way. That's about 23 times the size of the DCA-AUS market.

while that may be true...having the only DCA-AUS flight could be attractive instead of a highly competitive route such as LAX.

also, you could have some connection possibilities beyond AUS, say, DCA-AUS-LGB/SFO instead of going up to BOS.

sfozrhfco Mar 12, 2012 2:23 pm

Looks like B6 will apply for AUS-DCA and SJU-DCA.

DCA-SJU 1000-1355 A320
SJU-DCA 1105 1505 A320

DCA-AUS 1340-1600 E190
AUS-DCA 0830-1255 E190

N830MH Mar 12, 2012 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by sfozrhfco (Post 18186317)
Looks like B6 will apply for AUS-DCA and SJU-DCA.

DCA-SJU 1000-1355 A320
SJU-DCA 1105 1505 A320

DCA-AUS 1340-1600 E190
AUS-DCA 0830-1255 E190

Here we go yet again. I'm pretty confident about this one. Didn't B6 has already existed service IAD-SJU before? I wasn't sure if B6 will shifted from IAD to DCA. I didn't see it happen anytime soon. It will get more tougher competition against UA. On whether if they decide to shifting the flight from IAD to DCA.

sbm12 Mar 13, 2012 7:23 am


Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 18138745)
while that may be true...having the only DCA-AUS flight could be attractive instead of a highly competitive route such as LAX.

also, you could have some connection possibilities beyond AUS, say, DCA-AUS-LGB/SFO instead of going up to BOS.

With WN applying also to get DCA-AUS, however, I'm betting that B6 doesn't get it. My prediction is:
B6 - SJU
WN - AUS
AS - PDX
VX - SFO

sfozrhfco Mar 13, 2012 7:41 am

In their application B6 specifically says that SJU with continuing service to STT is their top priority and the AUS slot should only be considered if SJU absolutely will not be approved.

I think sbm12's predictions are the most logical choices.

N830MH Mar 15, 2012 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 18190581)
With WN applying also to get DCA-AUS, however, I'm betting that B6 doesn't get it. My prediction is:
B6 - SJU
WN - AUS
AS - PDX
VX - SFO

You forgetting more airlines who already applying. AA will apply DCA-LAX and also, UA will apply DCA-SFO, too.

haddon90 Mar 16, 2012 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 18207995)
You forgetting more airlines who already applying. AA will apply DCA-LAX and also, UA will apply DCA-SFO, too.

those are separate slots which do not need to be approved. there are eight round trip slots, four to the incumbents and four to new entrants. the incumbents have to replace a within perimeter slot for a beyond perimeter slot, with the DOT approving the flight times. so you have

UA - SFO
AA - LAX
DL - SLC
US - ?


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