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jib71 Jun 13, 2008 2:47 am


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9872010)
You will only travel to Japan one more time as a result of these complaints?

Hmmm....


Originally Posted by ChickenOrMeat (Post 9864553)
Anyway, Japan is a great country and next trip it will be our final destination

I interpreted this to mean that ChickenOrMeat is considering a trip with Japan as the main feature rather than it being just a stopover.

... but you're right. It probably means that he plans to come here to die.

jib71 Jun 13, 2008 3:02 am


Originally Posted by ChickenOrMeat (Post 9864553)
We had a 6 hour private tour with one fellow and at the end of the tour we thanked him profusely and presented him with a nicely wrapped gift. Suddenly this fellow went from being quite affable to being quite cold and stone-faced

Can't think why...

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 3:16 am

Part of me is laughing, a much larger part is cringing tightly and painfully into a ball.

No doubt, it's already Friday evening in Japan.

Q Shoe Guy Jun 13, 2008 7:19 am

I love you folks...........:cool:

Pickles Jun 13, 2008 7:36 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 9872356)
Can't think why...

Enola Gay, you should have stayed at home yesterday
Aha words can't describe the feeling and the way you lied

These games you play, they're gonna end in more than tears someday
Aha Enola Gay, it shouldn't ever have to end this way

It's 8:15, and that's the time that it's always been
We got your message on the radio, conditions normal and you're coming home

Enola Gay, is mother proud of little boy today
Aha this kiss you give, it's never ever gonna fade away

studentbecometeacher Jun 13, 2008 10:08 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 9872327)
Hmmm....



I interpreted this to mean that ChickenOrMeat is considering a trip with Japan as the main feature rather than it being just a stopover.

... but you're right. It probably means that he plans to come here to die.

Right, and because of your astute observational skills, you know that the op is MALE, as well. How do you know the op is male?

I made a misinterpretation and I often mistype, so you got me there. You're not free of imperfections either though buddy.

jib71 Jun 13, 2008 10:50 am


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9874110)
Right, and because of your astute observational skills, you know that the op is MALE, as well. How do you know the op is male?

I made a misinterpretation and I often mistype, so you got me there. You're not free of imperfections either though buddy.

I made no assumption about the sex of the OP.

The personal pronoun "he" is the defauilt in the absence of any evidence of the subject's sex.

Frankly, his sex has no bearing on the matter - Why do you think it's important?

jib71 Jun 13, 2008 11:03 am


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9872010)
Iif you want to tip, and give a gift instead, I don't know how good that is. Nothing is better than cash !

:rolleyes:

PM your address. I'll send you some cash!

(No, really. I mean it. I've got a 100 Ruble note for you - 1991 vintage).

studentbecometeacher Jun 13, 2008 11:19 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 9874392)
I made no assumption about the sex of the OP.

The personal pronoun "he" is the defauilt in the absence of any evidence of the subject's sex.

Frankly, his sex has no bearing on the matter - Why do you think it's important?

I suppose you can't write without being gender-neutral. It's ok, so long as you admit it. Though it's odd that the op wrote many more sentences without you without mentioning the op's sex.

And, the op's sex doesn't matter, but you think using "he" as a default is ok. Ever thought about the fact that the op was purposefully leaving the op's sex out of the posts?


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 9874392)
PM your address. I'll send you some cash!

(No, really. I mean it. I've got a 100 Ruble note for you - 1991 vintage).

If you're talking about relevance, why would a 100 Ruble note matter or have any relevance to tipping in Japan? Would you tip a 100 Ruble note to a Japanese tour guide? :rolleyes:

jib71 Jun 13, 2008 11:23 am


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9874570)
I suppose you can't write without being gender-neutral. It's ok, so long as you admit it.

It seems that I have offended you.

studentbecometeacher Jun 13, 2008 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 9874598)
It seems that I have offended you.

Hardly. It would take much more to offend me. My thoughts regarding your posts are similar to how Japanese people react to foreigners and foreigners' inability to understand keigo: hardly a surprise. Also, I do like it as well when foreigners speak katakana like English, but that's another discussion.

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9874940)
Hardly. It would take much more to offend me. My thoughts regarding your posts are similar to how Japanese people react to foreigners and foreigners' inability to understand keigo: hardly a surprise. Also, I do like it as well when foreigners speak katakana like English, but that's another discussion.

Your generalisation about 'Japanese people' and their reactions is crude and bordering on the offensive.

It goes much further in the way of assumptions than the 'he' used as a default in English you've picked jib71 up on.

Q Shoe Guy Jun 13, 2008 1:14 pm

And on the other side of the internet.......reporting from Livingston, Zambia which is across a bridge from Victoria Falls, Zimbabwe. The folks in Zimbabwe are being either starved out by Mugabe or are being forced out of their homes violently lest they vote for the opposition. Things are dire for them, they have no food.......really......very bad. Anyway, I ventured across the bridge for a few hours and handed some food out that I purchased in Zambia....sadly the border guards took half of what I brought! Perhaps we could tip those in Japan with Zim Dollars. I saw a 50 Billion note today........better use it before it expires !

studentbecometeacher Jun 13, 2008 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 9875100)
Your generalisation about 'Japanese people' and their reactions is crude and bordering on the offensive.

It goes much further in the way of assumptions than the 'he' used as a default in English you've picked jib71 up on.


Wow, re-read what I typed and come back to me.

Japanese people are not surprised when foreigners cannot use keigo. That statement is neither crude nor offensive. 99.9999% of foreigners either don't know the concept of keigo or don't use it properly, so why would it be offensive if Japanese people are not surprised when foreigners suck at Japanese?

LapLap Jun 13, 2008 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9875470)
Wow, re-read what I typed and come back to me.

You might like to re-read your own post:

"how Japanese people react to foreigners and foreigners' inability to understand keigo: hardly a surprise"

The way I read it is:

how Japanese people react to foreigners and how Japanese people react to foreigners' inability to understand keigo is 'hardly a surprise'.

You don't seem to understand the implications of your own written eigo.



Originally Posted by studentbecometeacher (Post 9875470)
Japanese people are not surprised when foreigners cannot use keigo. That statement is neither crude nor offensive. 99.9999% of foreigners either don't know the concept of keigo or don't use it properly, so why would it be offensive if Japanese people are not surprised when foreigners suck at Japanese?

And 99.9999% of all statistics are pulled out of thin air. Any source for your assertion? It's almost as if you are suggesting that out of the 2 million non-Japanese residing in Japan only about 200 or so can speak Japanese fluently. Yet another assumption.


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