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I just checked your revised spreadsheet and it's improving!
Hoshinoya Tokyo is a 48 minute walk or 15 min train ride to Tameike-sannō Station, not a 5 min walk Others can advise to specific exits but I'd also avoid going counter traffic flows in the morning rush hour at the largest stations. There will be a lot of people flowing out of the the larger stations including Tokyo station. |
[MENTION=24603]freecia[/MENTION] has given some excellent advice.
Let’s look at day 1 Your fixed point is a 10am appt at Shibuya Scramble square. As [MENTION=185180]McG[/MENTION] pointed out, start point is Otemachi (Tameike Sanno? Why?) Travel time is 20minutes. Add another 20 minutes, you are going to have to locate the building and work your way up to the start point. To achieve this leave your hotel at 9:20am (better still, leave at 9am and give yourself a further cushion, there’ll be a lot to take in) You’ve written 10am to 1pm Shibuya. That’s not realistic. You can’t get to the top of Scramble Square, visit Miyashita Park (let alone visit Hands or anywhere else), have lunch and complete the 20 minute walk to the Meiji Jingu gates in time for 1pm - Both the Shibuya Scramble Square and Hikarie buildings are designed to be massive time absorbers 1pm to 4pm Meiji Jingu and Harajuku - can be done 4pm to 5pm travel time to rendezvous point in Shinjuku including coffee stop - can be done 5pm tour starts in Shinjuku Day 2 is better 10am to 12noon - Ghibli Museum Mitaka You are having lunch in Kichijoji - bear in mind that there might be a queue 3pm Asakusa - that’s fine, you may even get there earlier Give yourself an hour to get from Asakusa to Nishiazabu Kamikura (10mins walk from Hiroo station) 6pm - dinner reservation Hiroo is a lovely place to wander around in. Day 3 This recent post confirms my own expectation of what Tsukiji is like now that the business has moved to Toyama Market https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35832705-post224.html Jumping to Day 5 I only suggested Yoshibōrin on the understanding that you were also going to Nezu Temple. Honestly, I can’t follow your itinerary. I adore the Yanaka area but it is news to me that Yanaka cemetery is called “cat cemetery”. Like many neighbourhoods in Tokyo, if you give yourself time to just walk around and explore there will be dozens of opportunities to take photos of interesting places with a photogenic cat in the frame. Alas, there is no time in your spreadsheet for exploring. I also don’t understand why you’ve got a Nezu to Shin-Ochanomizu journey in your spreadsheet between Yanaka Cemetery and Akihabara Yanaka Cemetery is between Nippori and Uguisudani stations on the Yamanote line, both of which give direct access to Akihabara (15 mins) Unless “cat cemetery” is something else entirely. |
Originally Posted by McG
(Post 35889911)
Otemachi station is the nearest to Hoshinoya Tokyo according to Google Maps.
For arrivals day: After clearing customs and immigration at Haneda, I would look into using a same day Takkyubin service to ship your luggage to your hotel. Otherwise head to the hotel to leave your luggage with them as I'm not sure if the Hoshinoya offer early check in or if they are like most hotels and insist on 3pm onwards. Rather than then heading across Tokyo to Shibuya for afternoon tea followed by a further 30-40 minute journey to the cat bar for drinks, I would venture out to some of the areas close to the hotel - the Imperial Palace, Tokyo Station, Ginza, Yurakucho and Shimbashi. That way when tiredness hits you are relatively close to the hotel and it also lets you get acclimatised to an unfamiliar city. It would also maybe allow you to re-jig your itinerary to provide more time on other days to explore other areas. |
Originally Posted by LapLap
(Post 35891262)
[MENTION=24603]freecia[/MENTION] has given some excellent advice.
Let’s look at day 1 Your fixed point is a 10am appt at Shibuya Scramble square. As [MENTION=185180]McG[/MENTION] pointed out, start point is Otemachi (Tameike Sanno? Why?) Travel time is 20minutes. Add another 20 minutes, you are going to have to locate the building and work your way up to the start point. To achieve this leave your hotel at 9:20am (better still, leave at 9am and give yourself a further cushion, there’ll be a lot to take in) You’ve written 10am to 1pm Shibuya. That’s not realistic. You can’t get to the top of Scramble Square, visit Miyashita Park (let alone visit Hands or anywhere else), have lunch and complete the 20 minute walk to the Meiji Jingu gates in time for 1pm - Both the Shibuya Scramble Square and Hikarie buildings are designed to be massive time absorbers 1pm to 4pm Meiji Jingu and Harajuku - can be done 4pm to 5pm travel time to rendezvous point in Shinjuku including coffee stop - can be done 5pm tour starts in Shinjuku Walk 5 mins 09:16 - 09:26 Tameike-sannō Station - Shibuya Station (Ginza Line Local Shibuya, 26 mins, ¥180) Walk 4 mins
Originally Posted by LapLap
(Post 35891262)
3pm Asakusa - that’s fine, you may even get there earlier
Give yourself an hour to get from Asakusa to Nishiazabu Kamikura (10mins walk from Hiroo station) 6pm - dinner reservation Hiroo is a lovely place to wander around in. Walk 3 mins 16:44 - 17:01 Asakusa Station - Ginza Station (17 mins, Ginza Line Local Shibuya) 17:07 - 17:20 Ginza Station - Hiro-o Station (13 mins, Hibiya Line Local Naka-Meguro) ¥260 Walk 9 mins |
Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35891302)
Sorry I don't understand you question. I just used Google Maps from the Capitol Hotel to Shibuya Sky
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Originally Posted by McG
(Post 35891313)
Are you planning to stay at the Capitol or the Hoshinoya?
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Ah ok. Ignore the info then about Otemachi station.
The Capital is still pretty close to Tokyo Station, the Imperial Palace, Ginza etc so my recommendation for just taking it easy and exploring these areas on your arrival day would still stand. |
Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35891302)
Sorry I don't understand you question. I just used Google Maps from the Capitol Hotel to Shibuya Sky and it says:
I'm getting very frustrated with these so called "websites". This one says Shibuya 10am-1pm. Can I trust any of them then? Again Google Maps is suggesting slightly different: As to the Google Maps transit times, they're basing the speed and navigation for mostly locals which are faster than tourists. LapLap mentioned add at least 20 minutes to Google and it is good advice. So you don't show up sweaty, very wet, or late (I've done all three mostly separately and do not advise) The subway door (be queued at 16:43) to getting off 2nd train is approx 20 + 16 min including transfer, walk of 12 min. Add variance if you miss the exact train and assume it comes every ~ 4 minutes. That's 52 minutes total. Giving yourself an hour to find the place including checking station exit maps and possibly in the rain when things look different is pretty close. https://tabelog.com/en/tokyo/A1307/A...dtlphotolst/4/ |
Originally Posted by freecia
(Post 35890760)
Here's two relevant points to know about Japan:
Here's my advice as someone who has taken her share of pajama whistlestop bus tours, has designed & carried out a few group day trips in destination locales, and also travels solo to Japan (repeatedly) How to plan a checklist trip with less heartache and muscle pain:
**Don't know what you want to see - easy mode is to look at paid group tour itineraries with some pictures and try to duplicate it if your interests align, allowing some variance for non-guided public transit vs their chartered vehicles or guided local transit. These are actual attraction checklists which people have generally paid to see and their peers also accept as "must see destinations", though personal experience says to check for "shopping time" and odd "why is this an attraction" which may be bio break bathroom stops. Look for a few other tourism related videos from YouTubers you don't normally watch https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japa...er-thread.html I enjoy some of the channels but logically know I won't be replicating all of their trips (Solo Travel San is a car ferry otaku and Suit Train can sit longer than I can, which is impressive) Klook Day trips is a booking portal with local operators https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japa...-recently.html which specializes in Asia. Asians do checklist travel well (see limited time off again and checklist travel is also cultural) Sample Kyoto & Nara - https://www.klook.com/en-US/activity...ay-tour-kyoto/ We see this is an 11 hour trip. If we look at the afternoon portion of the schedule Sample Tokyo Highlights https://www.klook.com/en-US/activity...kId=07887b9bfd I didn't have such a hard time when I first went to New York. Admittedly there's a lot less on people's bucket lists (Empire Sate and Statue of Liberty). I might try listing down everything I want to see grouped by priority, and see if that helps. For example, I'd like to visit Nara and Kishi station but that'll require 2 extra days in Osaka. I also can't find time to visit the Hokokuji bamboo forest. |
Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35891353)
I might try listing down everything I want to see grouped by priority, and see if that helps.
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What do you think of these plans? They both have maps and timings.
https://tessomewhere.com/itinerary-f...inerary_7_Days and https://www.reformatt.com/7-day-tokyo-pocket-itinerary |
Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35891506)
What do you think of these plans?
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Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35891506)
What do you think of these plans? They both have maps and timings.
https://tessomewhere.com/itinerary-f...inerary_7_Days and https://www.reformatt.com/7-day-tokyo-pocket-itinerary No point in sharing what I actually think of the reformatt suggestions. —- Talking about getting punched in the mouth, have you understood that the odds of seeing Mount Fuji from Arakurayama Sengen Park are not in your favour? Is this somewhere you would enjoy being regardless? —- It looks like my advice of adding 20 minutes to your journey times didn’t sink in (thanks [MENTION=24603]freecia[/MENTION] for explaining!) —- I now understand that your start point has moved to the Capitol Hotel. Hie Shrine is right by the hotel but you can see the torii gates very early or after dusk as they are lit up for a while. You are likely to get better pictures here than at the Fushimi Inari Shrine in Kyoto even despite it being smaller and less impressive. |
Thanks, I'll add 20 mins to travel times. Looking at my map, it seems I could move Senso-ji from Day 2, to the start of Day 5 at 6am. Then carry on with the museums?
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Originally Posted by GodAtum
(Post 35892008)
Thanks, I'll add 20 mins to travel times. Looking at my map, it seems I could move Senso-ji from Day 2, to the start of Day 5 at 6am. Then carry on with the museums?
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