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CPH-Flyer Dec 3, 2023 5:42 am


Originally Posted by LaziestRaccoon (Post 35791422)
Hi All,

I have a terrible award ticket which departs from SEL and arrives in KIX, and KIX to HND next day, and HND to CPH on the same next say. This means my domestic connection (KIX to HND) is overnight and as you all know Intl-domestic connection requires baggage re check.

SEL will give me the tag all the way to CPH but KIX may not receive my bags there since my next flight is not on the same day? ANA website has the information for through check in that it is only possible when the connection is in the same day but here the problem is I can print the tags to my final destination but still needs to deal with this Japanese domestic re checking thing.

I tried to find correct information but the cases like mine seem so rare (seems like an idiot ticket having one hop inside Japan to go somewhere else…).

Do you guys think the japanese agents will accept my baggages upon my arrival or do I need to have them for one day?

To my understanding, ANA domestic will only accept luggage day of departure. So yes, as far as I know you will need to keep the luggage with you overnight.

Barkinpark Dec 3, 2023 9:47 am

I entered Japan at Narita on Nov 22 morning at 6:45am (JAL). There was a line for immigration checks, but it did not take that long. I think I lined up for about 20 min, without having filled out the online form.

Then, I waited for a few hours for my domestic flight at Haneda to Kyushu (also on JAL) at 14:15. I first had to take the limo bus to Haneda and then re-check in. The process was smooth and I could have made the noon or 13:00 flight.

I exited Japan at Haneda on Nov 29 mid afternoon. I was able to use the machine without manual checks. TSA was very quick for both premium and econ passengers. No need to take out laptops.

Thank you very much for your help and advice.

paperwastage Dec 4, 2023 3:29 am

(just a data point, maybe someone will find useful).

NRT T1 has gate-operated gold track (aka mostly automated).


Same PNR flying out on OZ, one *gold one no status. NoStatus got rejected at goldtrack gate The staff had the *gold scan and go through, then manually processed the NoStatus ( go through a different gate that they manually opened and used a handheld scanner to scan boarding pass).


Most likely this would work for different PNR too, since NoStatus was scanned manually. Not sure why they needed to scan no status (conformance reasons? Don't recall if they also scan on regular line).

Since same PNR(flight), no issues accessing NH/UA lounge with NoStatus as +1

CPH-Flyer Dec 4, 2023 5:05 am


Originally Posted by paperwastage (Post 35793927)
(just a data point, maybe someone will find useful).

NRT T1 has gate-operated gold track (aka mostly automated).


Same PNR flying out on OZ, one *gold one no status. NoStatus got rejected at goldtrack gate The staff had the *gold scan and go through, then manually processed the NoStatus ( go through a different gate that they manually opened and used a handheld scanner to scan boarding pass).


Most likely this would work for different PNR too, since NoStatus was scanned manually. Not sure why they needed to scan no status (conformance reasons? Don't recall if they also scan on regular line).

Since same PNR(flight), no issues accessing NH/UA lounge with NoStatus as +1

They always scan the boarding passes, they have for quite a while. I don't think there is any cut of associated with it, just checking the validity of the boarding pass. On domestic Japan, the boarding pass scan is your 20 minute cut off for being allowed to fly, but it also basically your check in for the flight.

paperwastage Dec 11, 2023 7:53 pm

SIN-HND arriving 5:55am, 12.5hour stopover, 6:25pm HND-EWR

one ticket on United 016

at SIN, the checkin desk was unable to tag through. system problem, say 12 hour max
the checkin staff seemed to be SATS staff, not ANA (not 100% sure)

given what happened previously (separate tickets SIN-HND UA-marketed NH operated, HND-ITM NH, SIN NH counter said system cannot support tag through), I didn't bother to argue more

==============
landed at HND T3 6am, not much diff b/w QR vs manual. still took ~20 min wait at immigration

6:30am, United counters were not open, could select UA on kiosk and print my UA boarding pass (but not bag tags).
NH rep says UA counter opens 11am, cannot accept bags until then. When i returned at 4pm, UA rep says UA opens 1pm (for SFO/IAD)

6:45am, all the large coin lockers were taken
the manned counter at HND T3 departure had space(cash/credit card), but was full when I returned at 4pm

7:30am Keisei train, got seat on train, hit the rush hour crowded train. wanted to get off at Shinagawa, but too many people pushing. more breathing space once train became Asakusa line, able to get off with no problems at shimbashi

had a round of things that I wanted to do (Megadonki @ Shibuya, lunch ramen @ Shinjuku, then back to HND)

vegasbased Dec 18, 2023 6:56 am

Hi,

I am flying into Narita on WestJet at around 4PM and then I’m flying out of Haneda on China Airlines at around 11AM the next day in Mid-June.

The American hotels are pricey all around Tokyo, so I’m thinking of booking a Japanese hotel. Does anyone have any good Haneda airport hotel recommendations? Thank you.

jib71 Dec 18, 2023 8:02 am


Originally Posted by vegasbased (Post 35830985)
Does anyone have any good Haneda airport hotel recommendations? Thank you.

For an 11:00 AM departure from HND, I would recommend that you stay in central Tokyo rather than at the airport. There are plenty of choices when it comes to reasonable hotels with good access to HND.

My recommendation for a budget overnight stop would be to stay near Hamamatsucho station (Monorail terminus). These two hotels are a stones throw from the monorail station and cost less than US$100 for a random date selected by Google:From Hamamatsucho station, there are monorail departures every four minutes or so. Journey time to HND T3 is 22 minutes.

To get from Narita Airport to Hamamatsu Station in the most economical way possible, you can take a "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" train to Daimon - the subway station directly next to Hamamatsucho. That particular train is cheap (1,400 JPY) and it doesn't require you to change trains, as it offers through service onto the Asakusa subway line.. However, it is rather infrequent, so you might prefer to take the more frequent "Skyliner" service to Nippori and then change to the Yamanote line, which goes to Hamamatsucho. (Cost 2,750 JPY). Check Google for recommended routes, fares, maps etc.

↑ The "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" and "Yamanote line" trains are commuter style services with bench seats and frequent stops. Cars on both trains may be crowded with commuters, especially around 5 or 6pm when you will be riding. (But with the "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" you are likely to be seated as you're boarding from NRT).

ttuna3 Dec 18, 2023 9:48 am

vegasbased,

I basically concur with what jib71 recommended with a couple of minor differences.

If you choose your Skyliner correctly (1/hr) then you can change to the Keikyu at Aoto and then stay on until you get to Haneda. If you don't want to wait for the Aoto train then take the Skyline to Ueno and transfer to the Keihin Tohoku line (Light Blue) to Hammatsucho and then the Monorail to the airport. The alternative is to take Keihin Tohoku to Shinagawa and then connect to the Keikyu line there. The Keihin Tohoku Line is on the same basic route as the Yamanote Line where you'd be traveling but it makes fewer stops along the way. Another Skyliner transfer possibility is at Nippori where you don't need to walk the tunnels between JR and Kesei stations but you get an extra couple of stops on the local train. That transfer is to the Keihin Tohoku / Yamanote line as well along with a level change .

You can also take the N'EX (Narita Express) to either Hammatsucho or Shinagawa for the Monorail or Keilyu respectively.

Barkinpark Dec 18, 2023 10:39 am

I will encounter a similar issue.
One place to stay at is Shinagawa, which is directly connected by trains to both airports. Daimon is an option. I stayed there last time there, flying into and out of Haneda.

There is a commuter train connecting Haneda and Narita, but there is no luggage space and runs infrequently (every 40 min).

jib71 Dec 18, 2023 10:47 am

If OP wants to go straight to HND and forgo staying in Tokyo, I suggest the NRT-HND limousine bus. Of the hotels with walking access to HND T3, Hotel Villa Fontaine Grand Haneda Airport can be quite reasonable. It's located in the Haneda Airport Garden shopping complex, with a walkway to the terminal.

TechMarauder Dec 18, 2023 11:52 am

Hello. I am headed back to Japan for the first time since before Covid next month. I have a question regarding the Narita Express Roundtrip Ticket for Y5000. I am going to be using Tokyo as a base for 2 weeks and have a few flights in and out. My initial flight lands in HND though and I'm staying nearby but one of the roundtrips is from NRT (4 day trip)

Question is: Can I buy the roundtrip NEX ticket and go FROM Yokahama TO Narita Airport (and then take the return portion back to Yokohama a few days later)? Everything I read has the NRT<->Tokyo direction which makes sense as most people will buy it at NRT but not sure if I can do the same if I originate in Tokyo. Thanks for the help!

vegasbased Dec 18, 2023 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 35831147)
For an 11:00 AM departure from HND, I would recommend that you stay in central Tokyo rather than at the airport. There are plenty of choices when it comes to reasonable hotels with good access to HND.

My recommendation for a budget overnight stop would be to stay near Hamamatsucho station (Monorail terminus). These two hotels are a stones throw from the monorail station and cost less than US$100 for a random date selected by Google:From Hamamatsucho station, there are monorail departures every four minutes or so. Journey time to HND T3 is 22 minutes.

To get from Narita Airport to Hamamatsu Station in the most economical way possible, you can take a "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" train to Daimon - the subway station directly next to Hamamatsucho. That particular train is cheap (1,400 JPY) and it doesn't require you to change trains, as it offers through service onto the Asakusa subway line.. However, it is rather infrequent, so you might prefer to take the more frequent "Skyliner" service to Nippori and then change to the Yamanote line, which goes to Hamamatsucho. (Cost 2,750 JPY). Check Google for recommended routes, fares, maps etc.

↑ The "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" and "Yamanote line" trains are commuter style services with bench seats and frequent stops. Cars on both trains may be crowded with commuters, especially around 5 or 6pm when you will be riding. (But with the "Keisei Narita Skyaccess" you are likely to be seated as you're boarding from NRT).


Originally Posted by ttuna3 (Post 35831420)
vegasbased,

I basically concur with what jib71 recommended with a couple of minor differences.

If you choose your Skyliner correctly (1/hr) then you can change to the Keikyu at Aoto and then stay on until you get to Haneda. If you don't want to wait for the Aoto train then take the Skyline to Ueno and transfer to the Keihin Tohoku line (Light Blue) to Hammatsucho and then the Monorail to the airport. The alternative is to take Keihin Tohoku to Shinagawa and then connect to the Keikyu line there. The Keihin Tohoku Line is on the same basic route as the Yamanote Line where you'd be traveling but it makes fewer stops along the way. Another Skyliner transfer possibility is at Nippori where you don't need to walk the tunnels between JR and Kesei stations but you get an extra couple of stops on the local train. That transfer is to the Keihin Tohoku / Yamanote line as well along with a level change .

You can also take the N'EX (Narita Express) to either Hammatsucho or Shinagawa for the Monorail or Keilyu respectively.


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 35831573)
If OP wants to go straight to HND and forgo staying in Tokyo, I suggest the NRT-HND limousine bus. Of the hotels with walking access to HND T3, Hotel Villa Fontaine Grand Haneda Airport can be quite reasonable. It's located in the Haneda Airport Garden shopping complex, with a walkway to the terminal.

Got it, thank you so much for these recommendations! I really appreciate them. Happy holidays.

jib71 Dec 18, 2023 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by TechMarauder (Post 35831758)
Question is: Can I buy the roundtrip NEX ticket and go FROM Yokahama TO Narita Airport (and then take the return portion back to Yokohama a few days later)? Everything I read has the NRT<->Tokyo direction which makes sense as most people will buy it at NRT but not sure if I can do the same if I originate in Tokyo. Thanks for the help!

JR website states that the discounted fare is valid for travel from Narita Airport, and it can only be collected from the ticket offices at Narita Airport stations (T1 or T2).
There's nothing to stop you inquiring at a ticket office but I think you will find that the ticket is only available for round trips that originate at the airport.

narvik Dec 26, 2023 9:23 am

Are there any hotels near HND that allow day stays (6am to 4pm)?

Barkinpark Dec 26, 2023 9:25 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 35850765)
Are there any hotels near HND that allow day stays (6am to 4pm)?

There are. I cannot name names off the top of my head, but I recall seeing them. You may need to go to the hotel's website to find such deals.


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