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Steve Weagant Jan 24, 2015 7:30 pm

Using suica
 
I understand that these can be used on jr rail, subways and buses in Tokyo area. I have read that they can be used for other purchases in convenience stores. How have you used suica cards? Did you use only for travel or did you also use in convenience stores?

G-CIVC Jan 24, 2015 8:25 pm

They can be used in convenience stores like a debit card! Very efficient option for me.

RichardInSF Jan 24, 2015 10:35 pm

Not all convenience stores, typically mostly the ones in or near a station.

If you have to load the card with cash, which AFAIK is the only way available to short term visitors, I am not sure it is any more convenient than just paying.

SUICA cards can also be used anywhere in Japan that accepts this type of card.

Taiwaned Jan 25, 2015 1:34 am

When I jog to the gym, I don't like to bring change.

It works at the vending machine inside my gym.

5khours Jan 25, 2015 3:19 am

Use it at most convenient stores and in many taxis. Saves having change in your pockets.

Steve Weagant Jan 25, 2015 4:12 am

I could see that this would be good for staying in the shinjuku area. Having a card to tap in and out of the subway makes things easier. It's an easy process to replenish?

DanielW Jan 25, 2015 4:25 am


Originally Posted by steve4031 (Post 24229513)
It's an easy process to replenish?

I just used the machines at the metro to top it up.

5khours Jan 25, 2015 7:33 am

I don't use the Metro much so I top up at a convenience store. Takes about 10 seconds.

Steve Weagant Jan 25, 2015 7:46 am

Thank you. This technology is amazing to me. The United States are so far behind the rest of the world. It's a pain to buy a metro card in washington's metro. Credit card readers never work. Chicago its a crap shoot. Since I live in Chicago I can auto reload.

RichardInSF Jan 25, 2015 1:42 pm

Thanks to those who updated by my post -- I have seen it in taxis but didn't know it worked outside the environs of the station.

freecia Jan 25, 2015 7:14 pm

It saves on having change and also reduces receiving change. I'm familiar with Japanese coins but tapping the IC card makes it quicker to check out and stash less small coins in my purse.

beep88 Jan 25, 2015 8:16 pm

Used mine at the convenience store underneath the Hyatt Regency, and many other places.

In HK, a similar card 'Octopus' can be used for all mass public transportation; at 7-11, Circle K; major drug store chains, fast food restaurant chains, supermarket chains; school cafeteria; parking meters, AND as security pass card for private housing compounds - same card for paying subway fare and getting into your building lobby.

lcpteck Jan 25, 2015 9:51 pm

I have the ICOCA IC Card which I bought from Osaka.

All IC cards in Japan have been integrated. Since you have SUICA, you can use it in Osaka as well or other parts of Japan.

For such a big country, it's nice to know that just 1 card (almost) can meet your transportation needs.

joejones Jan 25, 2015 10:32 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 24228905)
SUICA cards can also be used anywhere in Japan that accepts this type of card.

There are a few exceptions: Sendai, Hiroshima, Toyama, Kagoshima and Kumamoto. Suica works on JR in [some?/most?/all?] of these places but not on the private/municipal lines.

edweird Jan 25, 2015 11:36 pm

I had a layover in NRT recently and brought my SUICA card from a previous trip to Japan to see if there was still a balance.

I stayed airside during my layover and could not find any of the vending machines or stores that would accept it. I'll be back in a couple months and leaving the airport again.

On my first trip I used it for train fare as well as buying food and beer on the train. I might have used it in a convenience store.

joejones Jan 26, 2015 12:05 am


Originally Posted by edweird (Post 24234280)
I stayed airside during my layover and could not find any of the vending machines or stores that would accept it.

Suica definitely works at a few places in T1 South Wing (the UA/ANA area), such as the drugstore and the FaSoLa electronics store.

evergrn Jan 26, 2015 5:31 am


Originally Posted by steve4031 (Post 24230153)
Thank you. This technology is amazing to me. The United States are so far behind the rest of the world. It's a pain to buy a metro card in washington's metro. Credit card readers never work. Chicago its a crap shoot. Since I live in Chicago I can auto reload.

They don't have anything like this anywhere in America? I know Boston and Vancouver don't. Boston has Charlie Card, but it's only good on T unless things have changed in the last few yrs. What about NYC? What about Europe? I read that London has something like this, although I never bothered to get it on my visits there. I only really know Jpn and Hong Kong very well, and both places have it.

emma69 Jan 26, 2015 7:15 am

We have the PRESTO card in the greater Toronto Area, which is valid on trains, buses, and some subways (and I think streetcars) across the region, with more systems being added in further away areas (Niagara etc.). You can't use it in convenience stores, but there has been discussion about this. Mine is set to automatically reload from my credit card, you can also top it up by credit, debit or cash at stations, and cards online.

In London, England, the Oyster card is similar - you can use it on a variety of transport, but again, I don't think you can use it at convenience stores.

msb0b Jan 26, 2015 7:53 am


Originally Posted by evergrn (Post 24235107)
They don't have anything like this anywhere in America?

Credit card companies are deeply entrenched in American market, and it seems like Visa PayWave/Master PayPass-based systems are in the works for public transportation payment systems.

For example, Chicago Transit Authority replaced their contactless Chicago Card with Ventra Card. Ventra cards may optionally work as a prepaid debit card; they can be used as credit card in stores.

NYC MTA is also in the process of replacing their magnetic MetroCards, and looks like they will go with the same system. The implementer for both systems are the same company: Cubic Transportation.

rollingdeep Jan 26, 2015 7:54 am


Originally Posted by emma69 (Post 24235494)
In London, England, the Oyster card is similar - you can use it on a variety of transport, but again, I don't think you can use it at convenience stores.

True but a lot of places are starting to accept the wireless payment that is pretty common in many new credit and debit cards. Think it is limited to £20 per transaction at the moment but I use it pretty much all the time.

emma69 Jan 26, 2015 9:40 am


Originally Posted by ravishah (Post 24235694)
True but a lot of places are starting to accept the wireless payment that is pretty common in many new credit and debit cards. Think it is limited to £20 per transaction at the moment but I use it pretty much all the time.

We have contactless payment, up to $100 here in Canada - it is pretty much everywhere now, makes my life much easier, to the point I feel put out if I actually have to enter my PIN!

O Sora Jan 26, 2015 10:46 am


Originally Posted by edweird (Post 24234280)
On my first trip I used it for train fare as well as buying food and beer on the train. I might have used it in a convenience store.

On Narita Express, cart vending will be gone soon.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japan...st-trains.html

On trains which accept IC card payment, you can request a receipt.
Handy printer picture ->
https://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2007_2/20080301.pdf

evergrn Jan 27, 2015 2:46 am


Originally Posted by msb0b (Post 24235690)
Credit card companies are deeply entrenched in American market, and it seems like Visa PayWave/Master PayPass-based systems are in the works for public transportation payment systems.

For example, Chicago Transit Authority replaced their contactless Chicago Card with Ventra Card. Ventra cards may optionally work as a prepaid debit card; they can be used as credit card in stores.

NYC MTA is also in the process of replacing their magnetic MetroCards, and looks like they will go with the same system. The implementer for both systems are the same company: Cubic Transportation.

I'd never heard of Ventra card, but that's interesting to hear because that does seem a little bit like Octopus/Suica/Pasmo if it can be used for both public transport and retail.

List of "smart cards":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smart_cards

I live in SEA, and I've never even heard of Orca Card. I bet most of these cards aren't even really widespread and most are for trains/buses only.

freecia Jan 27, 2015 4:21 pm

T-money in Seoul can also be used on public transportation and convenience stores.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-money

There are a few transportation systems which accept EMV contactless credit cards. I think London Transport is one of them?

NewbieRunner Jan 28, 2015 6:16 am


Originally Posted by lcpteck (Post 24233955)
I have the ICOCA IC Card which I bought from Osaka.

All IC cards in Japan have been integrated. Since you have SUICA, you can use it in Osaka as well or other parts of Japan.

However, you can't use these cards for cross regional travel, e.g. Shizuoka to Tokyo.


Originally Posted by emma69 (Post 24235494)
In London, England, the Oyster card is similar - you can use it on a variety of transport, but again, I don't think you can use it at convenience stores.

The main difference between Oyster and Suica (and other Japanese IC cards) is the former offers substantially discounted fares while the latter is simply for convenience (with the exception of a few yens rounded up to the nearest 10 yen on conventional tickets but not charged if using IC cards).

BuildingMyBento Jan 28, 2015 9:08 am

What is the minimum amount konbini will let you add to Suica? Do the lopi machines let you add value too?

jib71 Jan 28, 2015 11:03 am


Originally Posted by NewbieRunner (Post 24248655)
The main difference between Oyster and Suica (and other Japanese IC cards) is the former offers substantially discounted fares

Well, I suppose you could describe it like that. From my perspective, Oyster is just enabling you to avoid the obscene gouging that you'll be subjected to if you buy a paper ticket. And, in fact, it's the ONLY currency that you can use on a London bus now. (Cash fares for buses have been eliminated).

KPT Jan 28, 2015 7:46 pm

Suica is so amazing I've opted to get a Suica credit card. :p
It auto charges at the gates when the balance falls below a preset limit.

mt-i Jan 28, 2015 10:45 pm


Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento (Post 24249701)
What is the minimum amount konbini will let you add to Suica? Do the lopi machines let you add value too?

It may depend on the particular chain, but as a point of reference, Family Mart lets you charge any of the following 4 possible amounts: ¥1000, ¥3000, ¥5000 or ¥10000.


Originally Posted by joejones (Post 24234092)
There are a few exceptions: Sendai, Hiroshima, Toyama, Kagoshima and Kumamoto. Suica works on JR in [some?/most?/all?] of these places but not on the private/municipal lines.

There are quite a few train lines throughout Japan, including JR, where IC cards are still unsupported. For example, in the greater Tokyo area, Suica and other IC cards are unsupported on the Kururi line (Chiba), the Kashima line (Chiba/Ibaraki), the Karasuyama line (Tochigi) as well as a few other stations on otherwise supported lines. For the most part, this is unlikely to incovenience tourists, but there are a few exceptions (a place like Takeo onsen in Saga has some popularity among Korean tourists, say).

KPT Jan 29, 2015 7:17 am

Using suica
 
Fuji-Q express also doesn't take suica at Otsuki. You have to pay in cash for tickets.

LAXJetter Jan 29, 2015 7:44 am

OP, IC cards are worth it. In Tokyo, you have the option of either PASMO or SUICA. For a visitor, there would be no difference, besides the issuer (PASMO is Tokyo Metro and SUICA is JR East). Both are valid across many railway companies and useful for vending machines and conbini purchases

Steve M Feb 1, 2015 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by Taiwaned (Post 24229213)
When I jog to the gym, I don't like to bring change.

This alone makes it worth it. As a tourist, I find my pocket fills up with change at an annoying rate, and Suica helps keep this under control. Since it's a given I'll have one anyway for transport, it's a no-brainer to also use it for purchases where supported.

emma69 Feb 2, 2015 8:42 am


Originally Posted by gohima (Post 24256009)
OP, IC cards are worth it. In Tokyo, you have the option of either PASMO or SUICA. For a visitor, there would be no difference, besides the issuer (PASMO is Tokyo Metro and SUICA is JR East). Both are valid across many railway companies and useful for vending machines and conbini purchases

Suica cards do have a cute penguin on them, if that sways you at all :D

Hubbabridge Feb 3, 2015 3:06 pm

And if the penguin doesn't swing it: SUICA means watermelon.

KPT Feb 3, 2015 5:16 pm

ICOCA is way more clever a name. Leave it up to Kansai to come up with that one :D

msb0b Feb 4, 2015 9:59 am


Originally Posted by KPT (Post 24286962)
ICOCA

Whenever I see that word my brain auto-corrects it to Iacocca...

prkzoom Feb 5, 2015 6:33 pm

In Japan, how can you tell if a particular establishment accepts the Suica card? Is there a symbol by the register or do you just need to ask?

Also, does 7-11, Family Mart, and Lawson's take U.S. credit cards?

armagebedar Feb 5, 2015 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by prkzoom (Post 24299608)
In Japan, how can you tell if a particular establishment accepts the Suica card? Is there a symbol by the register or do you just need to ask?

Yes, you'll see the following mark on or near each register:
http://www.jreast.co.jp/suica/use/sh...x/image_01.gif

The reader itself will look something like this:
http://www.jreast.co.jp/suica/use/sh...x/image_05.jpg

Though there are sometimes multiple terminals for the various kinds of IC payment systems, when you ask to use Suica, the correct terminal will light up.

prkzoom Feb 5, 2015 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by armagebedar (Post 24299646)
Yes, you'll see the following mark on or near each register:

Though there are sometimes multiple terminals for the various kinds of IC payment systems, when you ask to use Suica, the correct terminal will light up.

Thanks for the helpful pictures!

MattEvan Feb 7, 2015 3:15 pm

If you have an Android phone with NFC capability, do check out this Suica reader app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...careader&hl=en


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