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Originally Posted by joejones
(Post 24234092)
There are a few exceptions: Sendai, Hiroshima, Toyama, Kagoshima and Kumamoto. Suica works on JR in [some?/most?/all?] of these places but not on the private/municipal lines.
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Using ICOCA in Tokyo?
Originally Posted by lcpteck
(Post 24233955)
I have the ICOCA IC Card which I bought from Osaka.
All IC cards in Japan have been integrated. Since you have SUICA, you can use it in Osaka as well or other parts of Japan. |
You only need one IC card in Japan so yes you can use your Icoca in Tokyo, Sapporo, Hiroshima, indeed almost everywhere and now even on kyoto buses (at last)
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Originally Posted by Hubbabridge
(Post 24326457)
You only need one IC card in Japan so yes you can use your Icoca in Tokyo, Sapporo, Hiroshima, indeed almost everywhere and now even on kyoto buses (at last)
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Yes you are right: as I have only an ICOCA I was not aware of this non compatibility issue but on checking you are correct.
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Fiirst day strategy in Japan
I believe that I can only use cash to buy an suica card when I arrive at NARITA. I understand Suica cannot be used on the Narita express, so I will have to buy a separate ticket. Are these assumptions correct?
If so I plan to purchase a Suica at Narita iand put 10,000 yen on it so I can use it for subway trips in Tokyo, Osaka, Fukukoka. In addition, I plan to buy food at stations in Tokyo, Niigata, Akita, Osaka., and a few others. Is this a good plan for using the Suica? To do this I would have to an ATM before going to the Japan rail office at NRT. Thank you. |
Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25472975)
I believe that I can only use cash to buy an suica card when I arrive at NARITA. I understand Suica cannot be used on the Narita express, so I will have to buy a separate ticket. Are these assumptions correct?
If so I plan to purchase a Suica at Narita iand put 10,000 yen on it so I can use it for subway trips in Tokyo, Osaka, Fukukoka. In addition, I plan to buy food at stations in Tokyo, Niigata, Akita, Osaka., and a few others. Is this a good plan for using the Suica? To do this I would have to an ATM before going to the Japan rail office at NRT. Thank you. |
The suica map seems to indicate that one could use suica from Narita to shinjuku. Is this the case?
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Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25473912)
The suica map seems to indicate that one could use suica from Narita to shinjuku. Is this the case?
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Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25472975)
I believe that I can only use cash to buy an suica card when I arrive at NARITA. I understand Suica cannot be used on the Narita express, so I will have to buy a separate ticket. Are these assumptions correct?
If so I plan to purchase a Suica at Narita iand put 10,000 yen on it so I can use it for subway trips in Tokyo, Osaka, Fukukoka. In addition, I plan to buy food at stations in Tokyo, Niigata, Akita, Osaka., and a few others. Is this a good plan for using the Suica? To do this I would have to an ATM before going to the Japan rail office at NRT. Thank you. |
I want to start the rail pass on the following day so I would buy the suica to use on the Narita express. I would stop at the atm to get yen to load the suica. I would validate my rail pass and make reservations for subsequent trips on the following day. Then I would use my yen to load the suica and then go tap into the system to ride the Narita express to shinjuku. Is this the best way to do this? Thank you
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Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25474631)
I want to start the rail pass on the following day so I would buy the suica to use on the Narita express. I would stop at the atm to get yen to load the suica. I would validate my rail pass and make reservations for subsequent trips on the following day. Then I would use my yen to load the suica and then go tap into the system to ride the Narita express to shinjuku. Is this the best way to do this? Thank you
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Thank you for your assistance with all of this. Having a clear plan once I get off of the plane makes it easier to do things efficiently.
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You could use the Suica card to cover the base fare between Narita Airport and your destination, however if you intend to use the NEX, you still need to get a separate express fee ticket+seat reservation. The Suica card itself is not valid to ride on the NEX, it only covers the rails that the NEX rides on, so you still need the additional ticket.
JR tickets are broken into: BASE FARE (the cost from point A to point B) Express Fee (essentially the service charge to use a faster train like the Narita Express) Seat Fee (the cost of a seat reservation, all Narita Express trains are reserved). If you use the slower commuter trains between Narita Airport and Tokyo area, then you only pay the base fare. But trains like the Narita Express and Keisei Skyliner require an additional ticket/fee. The Suica card will cover the base fare, but you still need to purchase a separate ticket (as I mentioned above, for the NEX, the express and seat reservation are combined into one). So if you do want to use your suica card from Narita, you have to go through the extra step of explaining to the staff you want to use the Suica and only need an express/seat reservation. Or keep things simple, just get ONE ticket that consists of the base fare, express/seat fee and use the Suica card later. |
Railroadtycoon. Thank you. That clears it up. I'll follow your advice.
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+1 to rrt above.
Any extra cash you might save using one of the more convoluted methods would be offset by the sheer hassle. You would be far better off just paying for your N'Ex ticket at the same time you activate your Rail Pass at the JR office at NRT. You will be there anyway and you can use a credit card for that purchase if you want to avoid cash. I suggest having some extra cash in pocket when you leave NRT but you shouldn't need much if you intend to use Suica for most purchases. Considering the disparate destinations in your itinerary, you are almost certain to run across someplace the card won't work. And I would strongly suggest avoiding any route to the City that would take you onto the Yamanote Line if you have much luggage. |
Is it possible to buy the suica card at nrt using a credit card? Then use yen to refill periodically later in the trip? Thank you for the detailed responses.
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No you can't purchase a Suica or Pasmo with a credit card. There used to be a workaround with the Suica&NEX package, but that is no longer available.
You can buy a Suica card at the vending machines with cash. Remember there is a 500 yen deposit to get the card. When you buy at the vending machines, you also have an option to "register" your card, which will record your name, birthday etc, in case you lose the card you can get a replacement card minus a service charge of issuing a new card. If you had an unregistered card and lost it, then you're out of luck. |
That's what I thought.
Ok. That's what I originally thought. How much do you recommend putting on there?
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Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25477448)
Ok. That's what I originally thought. How much do you recommend putting on there?
Subway tickets within the metro area start at 170 yen and go up to 310 yen. (The subways and private rail lines are more useful in Tokyo than the JR lines are, but you can use the Suica for both.) Some of the subways turn into above-ground trains in the suburbs and cost more, but you are unlikely to go to any of these places as a first-timer. I generally start with ¥5,000, but you if you run low, you can add value at the machines found in every subway and train station. If Tokyo is your first stop, don't validate your JR Pass until you are ready to leave and just use the Suica for everything. On my 2012 trip, I arrived at NRT one evening, paid cash for the N'EX to Shinagawa, spent the night there, and got up early the next morning to validate my JR Pass and take the first leg of a trip to a conference in Hiroshima. (As a passholder, I couldn't take the fastest Nozomi train directly to Hiroshima but had to change at Shin-Osaka, which involved standing on the same platform for all of 10 minutes.) After the conference was over, I used the Pass to tour the island of Shikoku and visit some clients in Osaka. Then I headed back to Tokyo, where I used my Suica to take the subways and other trains to various places in the metro area and the remaining days of the JR Pass to take two long-distance excursions northward. Finally, I took the Skyliner back to NRT. |
That will work. Thank you
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Originally Posted by ksandness
(Post 25478156)
Some of the subways turn into above-ground trains in the suburbs and cost more, but you are unlikely to go to any of these places as a first-timer.
I remember because I lost my wallet the first time I went to Tokyo alone. |
When was that though? I thought they had closed their office years ago.
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Originally Posted by lobsterdog
(Post 25480389)
When was that though? I thought they had closed their office years ago.
Speaking of which, JAL were great about the left-behind wallet. Someone turned it in while the plane was on its way to ITM, they quickly sent it back on the next morning's ITM-NRT flight and it was waiting for me when I checked in for my flight home from NRT. Meanwhile AmEx (and my Mobile Suica) got me by until I got my wallet back. |
Originally Posted by jamar
(Post 25481650)
... that I'd left my wallet on the plane ...
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Originally Posted by abmj-jr
(Post 25481953)
Not trying to slam anyone or cause embarrassment but am genuinely curious. How does it happen that one can leave his/her wallet on a plane on an international flight?
Having Mobile Suica made it too easy, else I'd have noticed my missing wallet much earlier, like when I tried to board the train leaving HND (I keep all cards in my wallet, so I would've noticed then) or at Shinagawa, where my Suica ran low, because you need cash to reload a regular Suica, and all my cash was in my wallet. |
Originally Posted by jamar
(Post 25482338)
I have Mobile Suica on my phone.
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Originally Posted by invisible
(Post 25483714)
Is it possible for non-Japanese resident to get Mobile Suica on phone?
1. Japanese Play Store account 2. FeliCa-enabled phone I have both without residence in Japan. Before smartphones (and still these days with regular keitai), the big hurdle was that the application refused to activate without a Japanese SIM inserted in the phone. With the smartphone app, this is no longer the case; so long as you're using a Japan-market phone you can set one up. In the early days of the smartphone app, they also allowed credit cards from anywhere to be used for Mobile Suica reload so long as you paid the 1000 yen annual fee. Something changed last year and now the only foreign cards they allow are AmEx and JCB. |
I have a suica card from a previous Tokyo trip. I've been told I can use it in Osaka on both JR/Non JR lines, but does this also include the Nankai Airport train from Namba?
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Originally Posted by jamar
(Post 25483937)
Yes, it is. There are only two things you need to set up Mobile Suica:
1. Japanese Play Store account 2. FeliCa-enabled phone
Originally Posted by jamar
(Post 25483937)
In the early days of the smartphone app, they also allowed credit cards from anywhere to be used for Mobile Suica reload so long as you paid the 1000 yen annual fee. Something changed last year and now the only foreign cards they allow are AmEx and JCB.
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Originally Posted by Vidic15
(Post 25484100)
I have a suica card from a previous Tokyo trip. I've been told I can use it in Osaka on both JR/Non JR lines, but does this also include the Nankai Airport train from Namba?
Originally Posted by invisible
(Post 25484570)
I would assume that for 1 - it is Google Play for Japan. Which phones would fit for #2? Any NFC phone would work?
Originally Posted by invisible
(Post 25484570)
Hm, ability to top up with foreign card would be a major plus sign...
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There is an app in the iPhone store. I downloaded it but it was in Japanese. I wasn't able to switch it to English. And I don't have FeliCa.
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Originally Posted by steve4031
(Post 25486865)
There is an app in the iPhone store. I downloaded it but it was in Japanese. I wasn't able to switch it to English. And I don't have FeliCa.
※決済用クレジットカードとして、「Suica付きビューカード」が必要となります。 |
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