JALPak

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...l-in-dfw.html/

So who is losing F service? ORD, SFO or SYD

Q Shoe Guy

SYD

JALPak

I am hoping for ORD just to screw those AA redeemers lol

CPH-Flyer

When are the A350s starting to join the fleet, and could some of those be used to grow the number of F cabins?

calhk

2019

grandgourmand

But they'd just switch from ORD to DFW...

JALPak

You are assuming there's availability

Guava

There is no reason to assume there won't be. It's not as if DFW is a high demand hub like JFK. In any event, most of the AA flyers don't care that much of JL since the latter doesn't do any fancy ads. Americans are marketing driven. For the AA FTers, names like EY or even CX are more attractive, due to advertising. JL is for a selective niche of flyers, most people on FT still chase after CX F as if it's actually some kind of sought after commodity. Let's keep it that way.

youvesaiditall

Heh...I am a (former) AA flyer that definitely sought after JAL over CX. I'll try to keep it quiet

CPH-Flyer

I am sure the request to have F comes from high up in Toyota. So the executives don't have to slum it in J when going to the new HQ. And hence probably also a fair amount of revenue bookings to be expected. But even so, would the 2 standard seats not be opened?

JALPak

It doesn't mean those who have award seats on ORD flights can take whatever being released. There are still lots of people with AA grocery coupons out there

CPH-Flyer

Yeah, there may be a few roughed feathers to smooth if the change happens from the winter flight schedule, as ORD F awards are already booked.

JALPak

SFO is possible too given it is suppose to switch to a day time flight. Not sure how JL going to route its SS7 when that happens.

CPH-Flyer

There is probably a major reshuffle coming with the daytime slots to the US. A daytime rotation to SFO would probably allow 7 hours to be cut from the turn, so a bit of fleet optimisation.
CGK might be the prime candidate to loose a 77W though.

AlwaysAisle

This does smell like Toyota is behind this… Toyota is a big corporation in Japan with some muscle to flex in both political and corporate arena in Japan. However, if F on NRT-DFW thing is coming from Toyota then we should be little cautious about actual possibility of JL introducing F on NRT-DFW.

North America headquarter for Toyota is used to be at Los Angeles, or I think Toyota is still in process of relocation to Dallas. I think JL and DL both have tried NGO-LAX but that has been long gone . Only NGO-mainland U.S. route left is by DL NGO-DTW and that is not daily operation. AA has tried NGO-ORD previously.

Although Toyota is a big corporation which brings corporate travel (business class or higher expensive fare) to airlines, but Toyota alone is not enough for airlines to maintain flights. No doubt top executives of Toyota likely do fly international F on their business trips. However, it is not like there will be few top executives of Toyota flying on NRT-DFW every single day to their new North America headquarter at Plano, TX.

If Toyota is behind this F on NRT-DFW thing, then what is realistic likelihood of JL actually install F on NRT-DFW? But on another side, NH has started NRT-IAH with F service. Both Dallas and Houston are big energy/oil destination. If NH can make IAH with F service then JL should able to do DFW with F service?

P.S.
After posted this, I thought some maybe thinking why I was talking about NGO flights? Toyota World Headquarter is located at Toyota city near Nagoya. Hence, airlines thought there is enough business demand on NGO-LAX because Toyota people traveling between their World Headquarter at Nagoya and North America Headquarter at Los Angeles. But it turned out that Toyota alone is not enough for airline to maintain flights between Nagoya and Los Angeles.