Thank you for being Spire Ambassador have a free Downgrade
#1
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Thank you for being Spire Ambassador have a free Downgrade
This is a new one on me, just checked my latest booking for tomorrow evening.
Weekend break in Nice for the wife's Birthday.
Booked 2 nights on Advanced Rate Executive Room with Breakfast.
(Didnt want to play the spire upgrade lottery).
Just checked and the booking had been modifed, looked into it and the 1 King Bed Executive Non Smoking had been replaced by 1 King bed.
After a phone call to IHG, the lady on the other end of the phone apologised for any confussion and as assured me that I have been booked into an executive room and the hotel system as modified the booking and she thinks that I have been allocated a standard room so they will then upgrade me to the executive for being a spire member.
???? We shall see what happens after my friday night flight from Luton into Nice..
Weekend break in Nice for the wife's Birthday.
Booked 2 nights on Advanced Rate Executive Room with Breakfast.
(Didnt want to play the spire upgrade lottery).
Just checked and the booking had been modifed, looked into it and the 1 King Bed Executive Non Smoking had been replaced by 1 King bed.
After a phone call to IHG, the lady on the other end of the phone apologised for any confussion and as assured me that I have been booked into an executive room and the hotel system as modified the booking and she thinks that I have been allocated a standard room so they will then upgrade me to the executive for being a spire member.
???? We shall see what happens after my friday night flight from Luton into Nice..
#2
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This is a new one on me, just checked my latest booking for tomorrow evening.
Weekend break in Nice for the wife's Birthday.
Booked 2 nights on Advanced Rate Executive Room with Breakfast.
(Didnt want to play the spire upgrade lottery).
Just checked and the booking had been modifed, looked into it and the 1 King Bed Executive Non Smoking had been replaced by 1 King bed.
After a phone call to IHG, the lady on the other end of the phone apologised for any confussion and as assured me that I have been booked into an executive room and the hotel system as modified the booking and she thinks that I have been allocated a standard room so they will then upgrade me to the executive for being a spire member.
???? We shall see what happens after my friday night flight from Luton into Nice..
Weekend break in Nice for the wife's Birthday.
Booked 2 nights on Advanced Rate Executive Room with Breakfast.
(Didnt want to play the spire upgrade lottery).
Just checked and the booking had been modifed, looked into it and the 1 King Bed Executive Non Smoking had been replaced by 1 King bed.
After a phone call to IHG, the lady on the other end of the phone apologised for any confussion and as assured me that I have been booked into an executive room and the hotel system as modified the booking and she thinks that I have been allocated a standard room so they will then upgrade me to the executive for being a spire member.
???? We shall see what happens after my friday night flight from Luton into Nice..
That makes absolutely no sense, wow,
#3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Asia-Pacific
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I would call or e-mail the hotel directly.
I have a similar situation where the IC HK GS modified my booking from a King Bed Premiere room to a Two Double Bed Deluxe room. They claim that it's an error in the way that the website displays it.
I have a similar situation where the IC HK GS modified my booking from a King Bed Premiere room to a Two Double Bed Deluxe room. They claim that it's an error in the way that the website displays it.
#4
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It happens, mainly if a group largish booking wanted nñ Exec Rooms and not enough execs still available, hotels rather than lose a large group booking, downgrade earlier reservations to accommodate the group, usually picking on those who booked with cheapest rates as refunding difference at checkin costs the least
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
#5
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Location: Cannock, UK
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It happens, mainly if a group largish booking wanted nñ Exec Rooms and not enough execs still available, hotels rather than lose a large group booking, downgrade earlier reservations to accommodate the group, usually picking on those who booked with cheapest rates as refunding difference at checkin costs the least
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
#6
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Not sure if this is always a free downgrade. In case the rack rate for a King is higher than the advanced rate for an Executive King you might be asked to pay for the difference. That way you will earn more points though!
#7
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Amazing Thread
It happens, mainly if a group largish booking wanted nñ Exec Rooms and not enough execs still available, hotels rather than lose a large group booking, downgrade earlier reservations to accommodate the group, usually picking on those who booked with cheapest rates as refunding difference at checkin costs the least
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
All room booking t&c as well as not guaranteeing you get booked bed types, ie room with two singles or a double, do not guarantee you get booked room type category either
I do feel for the OP. He might win some money and chances are the judge would be pretty brutal on IHG. But the loss of holiday enjoyment can't be compensated by cash that easily.
I hope you get this resolved without further aggravation. It is a disgraceful bit of corporate misbehaviour.
#8
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Isle of Sheppey, UK
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I had this happen once to me at a hotel which I frequent.
I was Spire at the time and had prebooked an executive room on a flex rate several months in advance. Turned up and a coach party had checked in... I was given a standard room and they said they'd refund the difference. The person on the front desk was new and said that "my room request hadn't been put through". The form to sign in at checkin had my status as "Club", whereas normally it's "Club" (crossed out) with Spire hand-written in.
I left early the next day - and there was no-one on the front desk, so I left the keycard on the counter and went. A few days later the charge posted and it was for the full executive room amount, not the standard room (which was £20 cheaper).
I ended up complaining by email, although I wasn't after points. I asked for an upgrade to a suite on a day of my choosing, subject to availability, along with another upgrade to a suite on a day of the hotel's choosing - the value of this coincidentally being £20 a time, as suites are £20 more than executive rooms. They apologised profusely and I got my two upgrades - an outcome I felt was very fair!
I was Spire at the time and had prebooked an executive room on a flex rate several months in advance. Turned up and a coach party had checked in... I was given a standard room and they said they'd refund the difference. The person on the front desk was new and said that "my room request hadn't been put through". The form to sign in at checkin had my status as "Club", whereas normally it's "Club" (crossed out) with Spire hand-written in.
I left early the next day - and there was no-one on the front desk, so I left the keycard on the counter and went. A few days later the charge posted and it was for the full executive room amount, not the standard room (which was £20 cheaper).
I ended up complaining by email, although I wasn't after points. I asked for an upgrade to a suite on a day of my choosing, subject to availability, along with another upgrade to a suite on a day of the hotel's choosing - the value of this coincidentally being £20 a time, as suites are £20 more than executive rooms. They apologised profusely and I got my two upgrades - an outcome I felt was very fair!
#9
Join Date: Sep 2012
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I don't see much possibility of IHG (UK registered company indeed) trying to defend this one in a UK Small Claims/County Court. T&C's need to be fair.
I do feel for the OP. He might win some money and chances are the judge would be pretty brutal on IHG. But the loss of holiday enjoyment can't be compensated by cash that easily.
I hope you get this resolved without further aggravation. It is a disgraceful bit of corporate misbehaviour.
I do feel for the OP. He might win some money and chances are the judge would be pretty brutal on IHG. But the loss of holiday enjoyment can't be compensated by cash that easily.
I hope you get this resolved without further aggravation. It is a disgraceful bit of corporate misbehaviour.
It is the hotel not IHG corporate that would be the business you'd be trying to win against in court, and in country hotel operates in, plus all ihg hotel operations are franchises.
Hotel could even walk the OP instead of downgrade them and there is no extra-pecuniary comeback for a walk or downgrade in law
In UK you would have to argue in court the booking terms and conditions form an unfair contact to win the case which is not likely .
For Nice in France I don't know the laws and tests that would apply to proving an unfair contract., which unless proven will preclude compensation
This same situation exists with airlines who can downgrade you from F->J / Y or J -> Y with little redress available, or bump you off the flight altogether
#10
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OP already said hotel is in Nice, France. UK courts of law are not really relevant as such
It is the hotel not IHG corporate that would be the business you'd be trying to win against in court, and in country hotel operates in, plus all ihg hotel operations are franchises.
Hotel could even walk the OP instead of downgrade them and there is no extra-pecuniary comeback for a walk or downgrade in law
In UK you would have to argue in court the booking terms and conditions form an unfair contact to win the case which is not likely .
For Nice in France I don't know the laws and tests that would apply to proving an unfair contract., which unless proven will preclude compensation
This same situation exists with airlines who can downgrade you from F->J / Y or J -> Y with little redress available, or bump you off the flight altogether
It is the hotel not IHG corporate that would be the business you'd be trying to win against in court, and in country hotel operates in, plus all ihg hotel operations are franchises.
Hotel could even walk the OP instead of downgrade them and there is no extra-pecuniary comeback for a walk or downgrade in law
In UK you would have to argue in court the booking terms and conditions form an unfair contact to win the case which is not likely .
For Nice in France I don't know the laws and tests that would apply to proving an unfair contract., which unless proven will preclude compensation
This same situation exists with airlines who can downgrade you from F->J / Y or J -> Y with little redress available, or bump you off the flight altogether
I successfully sued them a couple of years ago for a failure to refund a BRG claim some 8 months after the stay.
Similarly with an airline for a UK resident booking in the UK for a UK origin ticket any downgrade claim would almost certainly fall under UK jurisdiction. I also successfully sued LH on this basis too.
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HTB.
#12
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In any case, most jurisdictions (apart from the US, of course, where the obligation to follow through is only on the customer's side) would see a reservation a binding contract, and if the the contract is not kept, the non-abiding party would be up for damages. This could well be the cost for comparable accommodation elsewhere.
HTB.
#13
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Hotel and IHG can probably sucessfully argue that the guarantee is just for a room for the chosen night(s), not a specific room type.
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IHG makes a printed legally binding reservations guarantee that controls all IHG.com reservations secured by a credit card
IHG Reservations Guarantee
By securing your online reservation with a credit card, you are eligible for our Reservations Guarantee. If your reservation cannot be honored, the host hotel will provide a room at, and transportation to, another convenient and comparable hotel, and pay for telephone calls to notify family of the lodging change. The host hotel will also pay the full cost of the first night's lodging rate, plus tax. Any advance deposit will be refunded.
Once a person secures their IHG reservation online with a credit card, that EXACT reservation has to be honored by the hotel or the IHG printed Reservation Guarantee kicks in.
The exact room, bed type and size of room with the exact listed amenities need to be provided by the hotel.
It appears that IHG wrote this Reservations Guarantee to be legally binding to hold their franchisee hotels accountable to honor all reservations made on IHG.com secured with a credit card.
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#15
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GTC (the "fineprint") cannot change anything written "in bold". If you enter into a specific contract for a specific room they will be "in breach" if they give you a different room. This is not only the law in all jurisdictions I have dealt with but also common sense.