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Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:19 am

Using the Search Feature on FlyerTalk: The Definitive Thread
 
This long-overdue thread is intended to contain all of the information you need to know pertaining to how to successfully search for information on FlyerTalk. This thread also assumes that you possess basic knowledge pertaining to how to navigate around the FlyerTalk Internet web site.

The vision I have for this thread is not only to simply give instructions on how to perform every kind of search possible on FlyerTalk, as well as how to search for information without using the FlyerTalk search engine, but it is also open to questions about how to perform specific types of searches, as well as give tutorials on how to do all types of searches on FlyerTalk. Be as creative as you can be in having the FlyerTalk search engine perform the most efficient search for information for you and post your questions in this thread!

Although I will do my best to help, I do not intend to be the only person assisting other FlyerTalk members with the FlyerTalk search function. I encourage other knowledgeable FlyerTalk members to also participate in and contribute to this thread not only by helping other FlyerTalk members, but also by posting tips and tricks to help harness the power of the FlyerTalk search engine and use it as efficiently as possible.

This thread is NOT for asking about technical issues regarding the Search feature for FlyerTalk, such as “Search is not working today — what is the problem?”. Please post your questions and comments regarding technical issues pertaining to the FlyerTalk search engine separately in this forum.

Thank you in advance for your assistance and for your patience.

The following are quick links to take you directly to the specific infomation which you are seeking:

Basic Uses of SearchAdvanced Uses of SearchSearching for Information Without Using SearchTips and Tricks for Searching for Information on FlyerTalk***add more links here when other FlyerTalk members add their own tips and tricks to this thread***

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:19 am

Basic Search on FlyerTalk in General
 
Using this method of basic search will search every forum, thread and milepost on FlyerTalk, possibly displaying more results than desired from your search.

To further isolate your basic search, please either perform a basic search within a forum or a basic search within a thread.

To do a basic search on FlyerTalk in general:
  1. Click on the word Search found between New Posts and Quick Links in the dark blue bar in the upper portion of the window of your browser.
  2. Type in the key word or words on which your search will be based in the field of the resulting small Search Forums pop-up window.
  3. The default for FlyerTalk is set to Show Threads, which will display the results of your search in the form of links to entire threads. If you prefer to have the links to specific mileposts displayed as a result of your search, please select the button next to Show Posts instead.
  4. Click on the Go button to activate the search.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:19 am

Basic Search Within a Forum on FlyerTalk
 
You may want to isolate your basic search to all of the threads found within a single specific forum.

To further isolate your basic search, please perform a basic search within a thread.

To do a basic search within a forum on FlyerTalk:
  1. Go to the desired FlyerTalk forum where you want to search for information.
  2. Click on Search this Forum found next to Forum Tools in the dark blue bar near the upper-right portion of the window of your browser.
  3. Type in the key word or words on which your search will be based in the field of the resulting small Search Forums pop-up window.
  4. The default for FlyerTalk is set to Show Threads, which will display the results of your search in the form of links to entire threads. If you prefer to have the links to specific mileposts displayed as a result of your search, please select the button next to Show Posts instead.
  5. Click on the Go button to activate the search.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:19 am

Basic Search Within a Thread on FlyerTalk
 
You may want to isolate your basic search to all of the information posted within a single thread. This is the most specific form of a basic search.

To do a basic search within a thread on FlyerTalk:
  1. Go to the desired FlyerTalk thread where you want to search for information.
  2. Click on Search this Thread found between Thread Tools and Rate Thread in the dark blue bar near the upper-right portion of the window of your browser.
  3. Type in the key word or words on which your search will be based in the field of the resulting small Search Forums pop-up window.
  4. Click on the Go button to activate the search.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:29 am

Search Using Two or More Key Words
 
If you are searching for a Hilton HHonors property — let’s say the Hilton Park Lane hotel — searching using the word “Park” or “Lane” may prove to be a futile exercise as there is a chance that too many threads may appear as a result.

Did you know that you can refine your search for information on FlyerTalk using two or more key words with the + symbol?

To search threads or mileposts using two or more key words:
  1. Go to the FlyerTalk forum of your choice. In this case, the Hilton HHonors forum will be used as an example.
  2. Click on the Search This Forum pop-up menu near the top-right of the browser window.
  3. Choose Advanced Search.
  4. Type in Park+Lane with no spaces in the Key Word(s) field on the left.
Only threads or mileposts with both Park and Lane will appear as a result.

Although the multiple keyword feature works for both, ensure that Search Titles Only instead of Search Entire Posts is chosen so that fewer threads will appear as a result.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:31 am

The Wildcard Search: Asterisk You Take...
 
...if you attempt to search for something that may be too limiting.

Let’s say you are searching for Hotel.

All of your results will be with the word Hotel.

However, if you also want to include such words as Hotels or Hotelier, use the asterisk:

hotel*

...and your results will be everything that begins with the five letters h-o-t-e-l.

The asterisk is used for a method of search known as a wildcard.

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The vBulletin bulletin board software does allow wildcard searches. At the vBulletin forums, I have used an asterisk (*) at the end of the word or phrase for which I am searching.

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I have searched for the words Dorito and Dorito* on FlyerTalk (for some reason, FlyerTalk members have an unexplained penchant for Doritos), and Dorito* gave me more results from my search than Dorito, so one can use a wildcard (using an asterisk) whenever performing a search.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:31 am

Advanced Search Functionality: Specific Forums or FlyerTalk in General
 
You may want to search more specifically for information on FlyerTalk in general or within a specific forum on FlyerTalk using advanced criteria.

To access the Search Forums area to execute an advanced search for information:
  1. Begin your search by accessing either by searching FlyerTalk in general or searching within a specific forum on FlyerTalk. As a result in either scenario, a box with the same functionality will appear, whether it is called Search Forums or Search this Forum.
  2. Click on the words Advanced Search at the bottom of the box.
The Search Forums area will appear.

Options that are available to you in the Search Forums area include:

Search by Key Word — enter one or more key words to customize how you want to search for information on FlyerTalk using one of the following choices:
  • Search Entire Posts will search through all of the contents of what is posted.
  • Search Titles Only narrows and refines the search to only the titles of threads for the chosen key words but does not search for what is posted within the threads themselves.
Search by User Name — enter the user name of a FlyerTalk member to search for what that FlyerTalk member has posted by using one of the following choices:
  • Find Posts by User will search through everything that has been posted by the chosen FlyerTalk member.
  • Find Threads Started by User narrows and refines the search to only the threads launched by the chosen FlyerTalk member who is the original poster in those threads.
Exact Name — Click on this box to activate it with a check mark if you want to search for what has been posted in all threads by the specific user name of a FlyerTalk member — for example, Canarsie. You need not worry about the capitalization of the user name of a FlyerTalk member in order to use the Exact Name option. However, you may de-activate the Exact Name function to search for what has been posted by similar user names of FlyerTalk members. For example, typing in “canar” will yield the results of FlyerTalk members canard, canarde, Canarsie, canardo and jcanary. No wildcard or asterisk is necessary. By the way, just for fun, type in a generic terms such as “flyer” if you want to see just how many FlyerTalk members use this in their user name!

SEARCH OPTIONS

Find Threads With allows a minimum or maximum number of threads to be displayed in the results — when used in conjunction with the desired number typed in the Replies field — using one of the following choices:
  • At Least, the default used for FlyerTalk, displayes all threads which meets the criteria of the minimum number of replies desired. For example, if a 6 is typed into the field to the left of Replies, then only threads containing 6 replies or more will be displayed. This option is especially useful for searching for popular threads.
  • At Most displayes all threads which meets the criteria of the maximum number of replies desired. For example, if a 6 is typed into the field to the left of Replies, then only threads containing 6 replies or fewer will be displayed.
Find Posts From displays only what has been posted to FlyerTalk within a certain selected period of time using one of the following choices:
  • Any Date, which is the default used for FlyerTalk.
  • Your Last Visit searches only for what has been posted since the last time you logged onto FlyerTalk.
  • Yesterday
  • A Week Ago
  • 2 Weeks Ago
  • A Month Ago
  • 3 Months Ago
  • 6 Months Ago
  • A Year Ago
The *** is determined by And Newer and And Older.****

Sort Results By *** using one of the following choices:
  • Relevancy
  • Title
  • Number of Replies
  • Number of Views
  • Thread Start Date
  • Last Posting Date, which is the default for FlyerTalk
  • User Name
  • Forum
Search in Forum(s) allows you to choose one or more FlyerTalk forums in which the search is to be performed. You may also activate Also search in child forums if you want to search in the sub-forums of a forum. A sub-forum is known as a child forum, while the main forum is known as a parent forum. For example, if you chose to search under Global Airline Alliances for your information, choosing Also search in child forums will search the oneworld, SkyTeam and Star Alliance forums. Similarly, choosing to search under Airline Programs for your information with Also search in child forums activated will not only search every airline forum such as the US Airways Dividend Miles forum, but also its America West FlightFund (Discontinued Program) and US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) sub-forums, or child forums, as well.

After choosing the desired settings in how the search should be performed, one must click on the Search Now button in order to activate the results.

The Reset Fields button resets everything in the Search Forums area back to its default settings.

To save your own settings, Save Search Preferences ****

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:31 am

Advanced Search Functionality: Specific Threads
 
You may want to search more specifically for information on a thread posted on FlyerTalk using advanced criteria.

To access the Search Threads area to execute an advanced search for information:
  1. Begin your search by accessing searching within a specific thread on FlyerTalk. As a result, the Search this Thread box will appear.
  2. Click on the words Advanced Search at the bottom of the box.
The Search Thread area will appear.

Options that are available to you in the Search Thread area include:

Search by Key Word — enter one or more key words to customize how you want to search for information on FlyerTalk.

Search by User Name — enter the user name of a FlyerTalk member to search for what that FlyerTalk member has posted.

Exact Name — Click on this box to activate it with a check mark if you want to search for what has been posted in all threads by the specific user name of a FlyerTalk member — for example, Canarsie. You need not worry about the capitalization of the user name of a FlyerTalk member in order to use the Exact Name option. However, you may de-activate the Exact Name function to search for what has been posted by similar user names of FlyerTalk members. For example, typing in “canar” may yield the results of FlyerTalk members canard, canarde, Canarsie, canardo and jcanary, but only if any of these FlyerTalk members had posted in the thread in which you are searching. No wildcard or asterisk is necessary.

SEARCH OPTIONS

Find Posts From displays only what has been posted to FlyerTalk within a certain selected period of time using one of the following choices:
  • Any Date, which is the default used for FlyerTalk.
  • Your Last Visit searches only for what has been posted since the last time you logged onto FlyerTalk.
  • Yesterday
  • A Week Ago
  • 2 Weeks Ago
  • A Month Ago
  • 3 Months Ago
  • 6 Months Ago
  • A Year Ago
The *** is determined by And Newer and And Older.****

After choosing the desired settings in how the search should be performed, one must click on the Search Now button in order to activate the results.

The Reset Fields button resets everything in the Search Forums area back to its default settings.

To save your own settings, Save Search Preferences ****

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:38 am

How to Customize Search to Your Specifications
 
If you like how the Search function works as described below, you can save your Search preferences so that this method of searching for information on FlyerTalk will become the default for you and you do not have to configure this setup again! How to do this is included in the instructions detailed below.

To view new threads or mileposts in all forums except for the OMNI forum:
  1. Click on Search, which will be one of the choices (more specifically, the third choice from the right, between New Posts and Quick Links) that will appear in the blue bar at the top of any thread or forum.
  2. At the bottom of the resulting small Search Forums pop-up window, click on Advanced Search.
  3. Click on the Miles&Points forum to highlight it in the large Search in Forum(s) list on the right side of the Search Forums area.
  4. Then, after scrolling down towards the bottom of the list, press the Shift key and select the Misposted Threads forum, which will result in all forums being selected except for the OMNI forum.
  5. If desired, deselect certain forums (whose new threads or mileposts you do not want to view) by clicking on them using either the Control key on a PC computer or the Command (Apple) key on an Apple Macintosh computer.
  6. In the Find Posts From pop-up list, choose Your Last Visit.
  7. In the Show Results as area, choose either to Show Results as either threads or posts.
  8. At the bottom of the Search Forums window, click on the Go button next to Save Search Preferences so that you will not have to set this search method again every time you wish to use it.
  9. Click the Search Now button above the Save Search Preferences pop-up list.
The desired result(s) should appear almost instantly.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:38 am

Searching Multiple Forums — or Fora, if you prefer...
 

Originally Posted by wideman (Post 2713791)
(Thanks to Canarsie for all the great info so far.)

I particularly like the improved Search function that lets me look in multiple, selected forums in a single search. (The old FT s/w only let me search one forum at a time.)

If you click the "Search" button and enter a term, the system looks for that term in every forum. This probably isn't recommend: it may take a long time and unless you choose your search term carefully, you might get way more results than you wanted.

A more precise way to search is to look in multiple forums, by doing this:
  1. Click the Search button and then click Advanced Search.
  2. Enter either a term or a User Name in the approriate box.
  3. In the "Search in Forums" box, choose all of the forums you want to search. Click a single forum, click a category (such as Hotel Programs) to search in all the forums within that category, or pick and choose individual forums by selecting them while holding down the CTRL button. This is where the real power comes in -- for example, if you want to search for info on the Marriott Hotel in Paris, you might search in the Marriott, Paris, and Europe forums.
  4. Select any other search options. Especially interesting is the option to display results as threads or individual posts: displaying as posts avoids having to wade through a multi-page thread (which might or might not be useful).
  5. Click Search Now.

One clarification, for those who use a Macintosh computer to access FlyerTalk like I do: use the Command key (also known as the Apple key) instead of the CTRL (or Control) key.

Thank you again for the information, wideman!

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:44 am

Look for “Sticky” Threads in Your Favorite Forum
 
In many forums, the moderators — or FlyerTalk members — have taken their time to compose threads that have been designated as a “sticky” thread, or a thread that remains at the top of the forum for easy access.

Often, these “sticky” threads contain links to popular or important threads in that forum. Sometimes the “sticky” threads even contain the information for which you are searching, without having to use the Search feature or to navigate to another thread!

Please look for the “sticky” threads the next time you are in your favorite forum. If they exist, please take the time to look at the information they contain.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:50 am

Using Display Options to Search Instead of Using the Search Feature
 
At the bottom of your browser window, you will find the Display Options area. I use the features found in this area many times to search for information instead of using the actual Search function.

For example, you may want to search for an extremely popular thread to which someone posted within the last two months.

To search for popular threads within a certain period of time:
  1. Go to the Display Options area near the bottom-right corner of the window of your browser.
  2. Choose Number of Replies in the Sorted By pop-up list.
  3. Choose a desired timeframe — in this case, Last 2 Months — from the From The pop-up list.
  4. If desired, choose either Ascending or Descending in the Sort Order pop-up list.
  5. Click on the Show Threads button.
The results will show all threads within two months with the most — or least — replies first, depending on whether you chose Ascending or Descending in the Sort Order pop-up list.

Number of Views will also work here instead of Number of Replies, but with different results, as the threads that appear as a result of your search will be sorted by the number of times the threads were viewed instead of the number of replies the threads had replies posted to them.

Options that are available to you in the Display Options area include:

Showing Threads will display in the dark blue area how many threads are being displayed on the “page” which you are viewing — for example, Showing threads 1 to 25 of 175 means that you are currently viewing the first 25 threads out of a total of 175 threads in that forum, based on the options chosen below.

Sorted By allows how the desired method the threads should be sorted in a forum using one of the following choices:
  • Thread Title sorts threads by title in alphabetical order.
  • Last Post Time is the default for FlyerTalk, which lists threads in chronological order depending on the time something was last posted to each thread.
  • Thread Start Time displays threads in the chronological order in which they were created.
  • Number of Replies sorts threads by the order of how many replies were posted to them.
  • Number of Views sorts threads by the order of how many times those threads were viewed.
  • Thread Starter sorts threads by the alphabetical order of the names of the FlyerTalk members who launched those threads as original posters.
  • Thread Rating is useless as of when this information is posted, although it will list threads by how they have been rated even though the Thread Rating system is currently disabled on FlyerTalk.
From The allows only the threads within a certain selected period of time to be sorted in a forum using one of the following choices:
  • Last Day
  • Last 2 Days
  • Last Week
  • Last 10 Days is the default used for many forums on FlyerTalk, although there may be some forums which may have this set to a different default due to the history of traffic to those forums.
  • Last 2 Weeks
  • Last Month
  • Last 45 Days
  • Last 2 Months
  • Last 75 Days
  • Last 100 Days
  • Last Year
  • Beginning will list every thread in that forum in chronological order.
Sort Order determines the order in which threads are to be sorted in a forum either chronologically or alphabetically, depending on what is selected for Sorted By, using one of the following choices:
  • Ascending
  • Descending
After choosing the desired settings in how the threads should be sorted, one must click on the Show Threads button in order to activate the results.

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:53 am

FlyerTalk Search versus Google Search
 
If you are not yet a member of FlyerTalk, you will not see the search engine for FlyerTalk.

The same holds true if you are a FlyerTalk member but are not currently logged in.

The only choice you have is to use the Google search engine to search for information on FlyerTalk.

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If you are a FlyerTalk member that is currently logged onto FlyerTalk, you have a choice of using either the search engine built into FlyerTalk or the Google search engine.

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Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:55 am

New Posts
 
This is a type of Search which has already been pre-defined to search the newest information that other FlyerTalk members have posted most recently.

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Found in dark blue bar at top

Canarsie Mar 28, 2007 12:56 am

Search Limitations
 
Here are the current limitations regarding using the Search function on FlyerTalk:
  • Key words with three or fewer characters and common words such as “best” or “good” must be searched on by enclosing the terms in quotation marks: e.g. "cdg" (Case is not taken into consideration by Search.)
  • Including certain special characters, such as a comma in “50,000”, is useless in a search.
  • The number of results of a search is limited to 500. ****
Of course, as technology changes, criteria for performing a successful search on FlyerTalk may change as well. Changes will be reflected here accordingly.

GrizShel Mar 29, 2007 6:17 am


Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 7482858)
Common words, such as “best”

Words or numbers with fewer than four characters

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Aha! So that's why I have wasted time trying to search for threads with airport codes, etc. Unfortunately, this is a big deficiency for Flyertalk since most flyertalkers rarely spell out a lot of key words, and the abbreviations are frequently fewer than 4 characters.

Tim at WebFlyer Mar 29, 2007 11:03 am


Originally Posted by GrizShel (Post 7490261)
Aha! So that's why I have wasted time trying to search for threads with airport codes, etc. Unfortunately, this is a big deficiency for Flyertalk since most flyertalkers rarely spell out a lot of key words, and the abbreviations are frequently fewer than 4 characters.

This is due to problems that a 3 character search can cause. Specifically stress on the server. One way to get around this that might be mentioned in the faq is the Google search which can do 3 letter word searches and can be found at:

http://www.flyertalk.com/google_search.php

Thanks,

Canarsie Apr 1, 2007 10:50 pm

Status Update...
 
As of the time this has been posted, the organization of the information in this thread is not complete, nor has all of the information been included in this thread just yet. However, the bulk of the necessary information is currently included in this thread. You may now start asking questions or asking for a tutorial about how to do a specific search, or you may post your tips and tricks on successfully searching for information on FlyerTalk.

Thank you in advance.

mitchell Apr 3, 2007 9:23 pm

Any ideas on how to search for historical data on SFO-NRT fare sales in the past? I'm trying to figure out if a SFO-NRT $562 all-in is worth posting.

I'm unable to do SFO NRT searches in Mileage Run anymore.
A google search of "SFO NRT site:flyertalk.com" returns 7,120 pages.
Google search of "SFO NRT mileage run site:flyertalk.com" has 5,000+ pages & the headers are not useful.

Any ideas?

What is the reason flyertalk can no longer do 3-letter searches?
The "reason" link in this thread doesn't work.

KathyWdrf Apr 21, 2007 10:58 am

Great job, Canarsie! ^

BUT (not to sound too cynical or anything).... if someone can't figure out how to do a search, do you really think they are going to read instructions on how to do it? :p

Another tip worth mentioning is that a lot of the more basic information about frequent flyer/stay programs is readily findable on the website of the airline/hotel chain etc. In fact, it is quite often much more easily findable there than on FT! But for some reason, it never seems to occur to people to search for it there. :eek: On the other hand, FT often has information on the more advanced, sometimes (or often) undocumented features of the programs.

shirts6 Apr 23, 2007 12:14 pm

I'm sorry if this sounds really basic and I should already know this, I could figure it out myself if I spent another hour. I know someone will be nice and save me some time!
When I want to subscribe to a thread, how exactly do I do this? Can I subscribe to the Alaska forum and then receive emails when someone starts a new thread, or do you basically have to search regularly to stumble on items that you're interested in?
Also, when you type in a message, do I have to put in a title?

SanDiego1K Apr 23, 2007 12:19 pm

You can subscribe to this thread by using the pulldown menu at the top titled "thread tools". Click "subscribe to this thread".

You can set up "My FlyerTalk" and subscribe to all the forums of interest to you. You can set up an email summary of all the threads posted in that forum.

When you respond to a thread, you don't have to use a title. When you start a new thread, you do.

Canarsie Apr 23, 2007 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by shirts6 (Post 7627138)
I'm sorry if this sounds really basic and I should already know this, I could figure it out myself if I spent another hour. I know someone will be nice and save me some time!
When I want to subscribe to a thread, how exactly do I do this? Can I subscribe to the Alaska forum and then receive emails when someone starts a new thread, or do you basically have to search regularly to stumble on items that you're interested in?
Also, when you type in a message, do I have to put in a title?

You cannot subscribe to a forum in general, but you may subscribe to specific threads within a forum.

Simply go to a desired thread and choose Thread Tools near the top of the “page”. Clicking on it reveals a “pop-up” list which includes the option of subscribing to a thread.

You can subscribe to as many threads as you like using this method, and you also have the option of receiving an e-mail every time FlyerTalk members post to each subscribed thread.

I hope this helps, shirts6. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

nerd Apr 23, 2007 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by KathyWdrf (Post 7617802)
Great job, Canarsie! ^

BUT (not to sound too cynical or anything).... if someone can't figure out how to do a search, do you really think they are going to read instructions on how to do it? :p

I agree with Kathy on both counts.

First, good work.

Second, I think people will either post a newbie/repeat question or take it on themselves to figure out the search engine.

Someone who can't figure out how to learn the search engine is not going to a) click an announcement link, then b) click on the link to this thread, then c) sort through another dozen links to find the info they need.

SanDiego1K Apr 23, 2007 6:04 pm

How to subscribe to a forum
 
You can subscribe to a forum when you set up "My FlyerTalk."

Let's say you want to subscribe to the Southwest forum.

Go to FlyerTalk Forums.

Click on Airline Programs to get an expanded list.

Click on Southwest.

Go to the upper right of the page, about 1/3 down. Click on "Forum Tools".

This brings up a pulldown menu. Click on "Subscribe to this forum".

When you do so, you will be given 3 options for notification:
  1. None
  2. Daily updates by email
  3. Weekly updates by email

Irrespective of whether you chose email notification or not, when you return to "My FlyerTalk", you will find your subscription to Southwest Airlines.

mwarden Apr 29, 2007 11:42 am


Originally Posted by nerd (Post 7629235)
I agree with Kathy on both counts.

First, good work.

Second, I think people will either post a newbie/repeat question or take it on themselves to figure out the search engine.

Someone who can't figure out how to learn the search engine is not going to a) click an announcement link, then b) click on the link to this thread, then c) sort through another dozen links to find the info they need.

I think we are missing the point here. If the search feature requires an entire thread of explanation of syntax and strategy methods, I would say that's a pretty good indication of a very flawed search feature.

I realize you are using a packaged forum solution, but that does not mean the search feature cannot be modified easily. One feature would go a long way to make the search useful and would take very little effort: append a + before each keyword not preceded by " +" or " OR " beyond the first keyword. This would effectively make it an AND search by default, which is what the user expects. If you take this translation approach, the effort is extremely minimal.

The approach of the FT mods should be: fix the search. Documentation DOES NOT FIX ANYTHING, as pointed out by the message quoted above. You have a good % of people here who are IT consultants (including myself). I am sure many of us would be willing to lend a hand, as the FT search feature is even more annoying to people who design software for a living...

Kagehitokiri Apr 29, 2007 3:49 pm

i have not had any problems with search for a while now, and this thread is good for people who dont have as much experience with online forums ^^

Canarsie Apr 29, 2007 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by mwarden (Post 7658447)
I think we are missing the point here. If the search feature requires an entire thread of explanation of syntax and strategy methods, I would say that's a pretty good indication of a very flawed search feature.

I realize you are using a packaged forum solution, but that does not mean the search feature cannot be modified easily. One feature would go a long way to make the search useful and would take very little effort: append a + before each keyword not preceded by " +" or " OR " beyond the first keyword. This would effectively make it an AND search by default, which is what the user expects. If you take this translation approach, the effort is extremely minimal.

The approach of the FT mods should be: fix the search. Documentation DOES NOT FIX ANYTHING, as pointed out by the message quoted above. You have a good % of people here who are IT consultants (including myself). I am sure many of us would be willing to lend a hand, as the FT search feature is even more annoying to people who design software for a living...

I do not necessarily disagree with you, mwarden.

The administrative team that tends to the technological issues of FlyerTalk know that the search engine of the vBulletin bulletin board software is weak. However, the problem, as they told me in person in Washington, D.C. only yesterday, is that FlyerTalk is now one of the largest Internet bulletin boards that is powered by the vBulletin bulletin board software. While many — or even most — other Internet bulletin board web sites may function flawlessly either with the current search engine or with one modified by “hacking” the main software application program or with “plug-ins”, FlyerTalk could very well encounter unknown and unique problems simply due to its sheer size and traffic. The effort may indeed be minimal, but its potential longer-term effects and resulting problems could possibly far outweigh the advantages, and I know that they are currently not willing to take that chance.

For additional information, I recommend that you contact one of the technical administrative staff that takes care of FlyerTalk. Hopefully, one of them will post here to address your thoughts.

The bottom line is that the search engine for vBulletin is certainly far from perfect, and everyone is in agreement with that assessment. In the meantime, until a better solution is available — and a better solution to the search function is being actively sought for FlyerTalk — this thread exists to assist those FlyerTalk members with the current search engine.

If this thread assists even one FlyerTalk member in facilitating the use of its search function, then it has served its purpose.

By the way, a + can be used for more detailed searches, but it still is far from perfect.

KathyWdrf May 30, 2007 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by mwarden (Post 7658447)
I think we are missing the point here. If the search feature requires an entire thread of explanation of syntax and strategy methods, I would say that's a pretty good indication of a very flawed search feature.

Well, there are a LOT of complaints about the FT Search feature. And a few of them are indeed legitimate, such as some of the things mentioned in this thread.

But what I really think is happening is that doing a search is an art, and sometimes it is hard to figure out what search terms to use. Plus, some people are just not good at figuring out how to use the capabilities that FlyerTalk DOES have. Neither of those problems will necessarily be ameliorated by adding features. @:-)

I've been chuckling over this lately, because I have recently been trying to use the "new, improved" Chowhound bulletin board at www.chowhound.com . A little history: for a number of years (10 or so), Chowhound lived on a really crappy, clunky BB interface and was run on a shoestring, always in the red. Finally, last year or so, it was sold to CNet and ported to a new system. The new interface LOOKS much better. It is much easier to read. I thought, great, they have finally updated their site, and I started exploring. I quickly became frustrated by -- guess what -- their crappy Search feature. OK, I thought it was just user ignorance -- I need to read some FAQ or Help pages on how to use Search. But what I found, instead, was a thread on the Technical Help board, explaining:


Hello, Hounds,

We're beginning this week to overhaul the search system for Chowhound and all of Chow. What features would you like to see implemented? What's most important? What's least important?

Technical limitations will probably prevent it being absolutely to your specifications, but we can dream...

--------

Editing to add:

We are working on significant search changes, which will be released as a single update, rather than doing piecemeal updates. A schedule for when that update will take place is not available. Search/sort by date are definitely features that are included in the work being done, so it's not necessary to add your support for those ideas--we've already got them at the top of the list.

If you've got a new suggestion, please feel free to add it here. It likely won't be included in the pending major update since Engineering is well into development, but may be considered for future releases.

Engineering Feb 05, 2007 04:42PM
Since that posting nearly four months ago, there have been 300 or so responses, begging and pleading for such BASIC capabilities as a search by date (duh), and asking that "piecemeal" improvements be released, PLEASE.

Chowhound is divided into several boards or forums by region (plus some topical boards). The search feature lets you enter search keywords, but it does NOT sort the results by date, or in any other obviously meaningful way. Plus, there is no way to MAKE it sort the results by date! If you enter a keyword and "San Francisco," you will indeed get results -- sometimes zillions of results. You can't sort them, though. This really limits the usefulness of Chowhound. I'm really shocked that CNet, which I imagined was a high-tech company, has such a piece of garbage for their BB interface. :eek:

Anyhow, the point of all this is that, in fact, the Search feature on FlyerTalk is very powerful. It has a lot of wonderful features. You can put in a keyword(s) and search in the Title only, or all the text. You can limit the date range. You can search by poster. You can show the results by thread, or by post. And on and on and on. You really, truly, CAN do all kinds of great things using FlyerTalk search. And the results come out chronologically sorted! :cool: Saying that the search feature is useless is patently false, and is really, oftentimes, nothing more than an excuse for doing nothing (other than whining, of course, which FTers are very, very good at ;) ).

Now, if Search on FT were as bad as that on Chowhound, then the chorus of search-complainers might really have a point. But it isn't. It has its limitations, but it is orders of magnitude better than Chowhound. So count your blessings, and use it. @:-)

jcherney Jun 10, 2007 1:37 pm

If this question doesn't belong here, please move it.

I want to search new posts, but exclude certain forums which I have no interest in. How can this be done?

Thanks.

PS I did a search for this just now, and never received a response. Looks like I confused the search engine!!

Canarsie Jun 10, 2007 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by jcherney (Post 7880772)
I want to search new posts, but exclude certain forums which I have no interest in. How can this be done?

Although it can be rather tedious, the following method should work for you:

Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 7510642)
You may want to search more specifically for information on FlyerTalk in general or within a specific forum on FlyerTalk using advanced criteria.

To access the Search Forums area to execute an advanced search for information:
  1. Begin your search by accessing either by searching FlyerTalk in general or searching within a specific forum on FlyerTalk. As a result in either scenario, a box with the same functionality will appear, whether it is called Search Forums or Search this Forum.
  2. Click on the words Advanced Search at the bottom of the box.
The Search Forums area will appear.

Search in Forum(s) allows you to choose one or more FlyerTalk forums in which the search is to be performed. You may also activate Also search in child forums if you want to search in the sub-forums of a forum. A sub-forum is known as a child forum, while the main forum is known as a parent forum. For example, if you chose to search under Global Airline Alliances for your information, choosing Also search in child forums will search the oneworld, SkyTeam and Star Alliance forums. Similarly, choosing to search under Airline Programs for your information with Also search in child forums activated will not only search every airline forum such as the US Airways Dividend Miles forum, but also its America West FlightFund (Discontinued Program) and US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) sub-forums, or child forums, as well.

After choosing the desired settings in how the search should be performed, one must click on the Search Now button in order to activate the results.

Be sure you select only the forums in which you want to conduct your search.

jcherney Jun 10, 2007 7:58 pm

Canarsie,

If this board is built on a similar platform at other boards, I think there might be a MUCH easier way. I would need to know the number associated with a forum to test it out. Can you tell me the forum number for OMNI (as an example)?

If this works, the correct url format would be:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/search.ph...clude=xx,xx,xx etc. where xx or xxx or x is equal to the forum number.

If you can provide one to test, I'll let you know how it works.

Thanks.

Canarsie Jun 10, 2007 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by jcherney (Post 7882013)
Canarsie,

If this board is built on a similar platform at other boards, I think there might be a MUCH easier way. I would need to know the number associated with a forum to test it out. Can you tell me the forum number for OMNI (as an example)?

If this works, the correct url format would be:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/search.ph...clude=xx,xx,xx etc. where xx or xxx or x is equal to the forum number.

If you can provide one to test, I'll let you know how it works.

Thanks.

I think I see where you are going with this.

Anyway, all you have to do is click on the forum to get the URL, which contains the forum number. For example, the Delta forum number is 489:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=489

Good luck, jcherney!

jcherney Jun 10, 2007 8:55 pm

It works!

Essentially, you need to replace the x, or xx, or xxx in the following URL to search all new posts and exclude whatever forum you don't want to see. The x, or xx, or xxx is the forum number. For instance:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/search.ph...clude=x,xx,xxx........ you can add as few or as many forums as you choose. As an example:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/search.ph...ew&exclude=457 will do a new posts search and exclude the OMNI forum. Using http://flyertalk.com/forum/search.ph...de=457,445,380 will exclude OMNI, American Advantage, and CommunityBuzz!

Here is a list of the forum numbers to make it easy for everyone:


MilesBuzz! 370

Mileage Run Deals 372

S.P.A.M. 2

Airline Programs 374

Air Canada Aeroplan 375
Air New Zealand Air Points 440
AirTran Airways A+ Rewards 441
Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan 442
All Nippon Airways Mileage Club 443
American AAdvantage 445
Asiana Club 614
bmi diamond club 486
British Airways Executive Club 446
Cathay Pacific Asia Miles 487
Continental OnePass 488
Delta SkyMiles 489
El Al Matmid 610
Emirates Airlines Skywards 490
Flying Blue (Air France & KLM) 594
Air France Frequence Plus 376
KLM Flying Dutchman 493
Frontier Airlines EarlyReturns 491
Hawaii-based Airlines 447
JAL Mileage Bank 513
JetBlue TrueBlue 492
Korean Air Skypass 621
Midwest Airlines Midwest Miles 496
Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) 495
Swiss International Airlines 502
Northwest WorldPerks 497
Qantas Frequent Flyer 498
SAS EuroBonus 499
Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer 500
Southwest Rapid Rewards 501
Thai Airways Royal Orchid Plus 503
United Mileage Plus 504
US Airways Dividend Miles 612
America West FlightFund (Discontinued Program) 444
US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) 505
Varig Airlines Smiles 514
Virgin flying club 506
WestJet "Passenger Perks" 606
Other Asian, Australian and South Pacific Frequent Flyer Programs 470
Other European Frequent Flyer Programs 469
Other Middle East and Africa Frequent Flyer Programs 471
Other North & South America Frequent Flyer Programs 472

Global Airline Alliances 391

oneworld 411
SkyTeam 412
Star Alliance 413


Hotel Programs 389

Best Western Gold Crown Club International 416
Hilton HHonors 417
Hyatt Gold Passport 418
InterContinental Hotels: Priority Club & Inter-Continental Ambassador 426
Marriott Rewards 427
Radisson goldpoints plus 428
Starwood Preferred Guest 429
Wyndham ByRequest 430
Other Hotel Programs 431


Credit Card Programs/Partners 390

American Express Membership Rewards 410
Diners Club Club Rewards 414
Other Credit Card Programs 599


Car Rental Programs/Partners 392

Avis 420
Budget 421
Dollar 422
Hertz 423
National 424
Thrifty 425
Other Car Rental Programs/Partners (ie. Alamo, Enterprise, Sixt) 595


Other Travel Programs/Partners 394

Amtrak Guest Rewards 399
iDine/Rewards Network 400
LatinPass/GlobalPass 494
Discontinued Programs/Partners 395
(daughter forums not included due to lack of post interest)


Travel&Dining 161

TravelBuzz! 176

FlyerTalk Reviews 592

DiningBuzz! 371

Travel Technology 169

Newsstand 178

Free Travel Contests and Sweepstakes 223

Travel Safety/Security 222

Travel Bidding 204

Luxury Hotels 220

Cruises 179

Budget Travel 597

Special Interest Travel 618

Travel&Dining: Destination >> United States 437

Travel&Dining: Destination >> The World 438

Community 367

CommunityBuzz! 380

FlyerTalk Live! (chat) 473

Itineraries 381

Coupon Connection 373

Blogs@FlyerTalk 586

TalkBoard Topics 382

Only Randy Petersen 383

Support&Services 385

Technical Issues 386

Suggestions 387

Misposted Threads 388

OMNI 457


edit: I will add the daughter forum numbers shortly..... more to come.....

Canarsie Jun 11, 2007 2:39 am


Originally Posted by jcherney (Post 7882249)
It works!

Excellent, jcherney!

The only suggestion I have is to improve the formatting of what you posted to give a better impression of the parent-child forum relationship on FlyerTalk, such as using indents — or, if you like, I can do the formatting for you.

I appreciate the solution to a problem about which has been asked in the past, jcherney. Thank you for sharing this quick and easy way of searching select forums on FlyerTalk!

Of course, posting additional tips and tricks pertaining to searching for information on FlyerTalk by other FlyerTalk members is welcome in this thread. Please keep them coming!

jcherney Jun 11, 2007 7:38 am


Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 7883056)
Excellent, jcherney!

The only suggestion I have is to improve the formatting of what you posted to give a better impression of the parent-child forum relationship on FlyerTalk, such as using indents — or, if you like, I can do the formatting for you.

I appreciate the solution to a problem about which has been asked in the past, jcherney. Thank you for sharing this quick and easy way of searching select forums on FlyerTalk!

Of course, posting additional tips and tricks pertaining to searching for information on FlyerTalk by other FlyerTalk members is welcome in this thread. Please keep them coming!

I actually had more to finish on that list, but it got to be too late last night. I'll try and finish it up tonight and work on the formatting also. Good suggestion.

jcherney Jun 14, 2007 6:54 am

Canarsie,

I made a few changes to make it look a bit better. If you can clean it up further, please be my guest. Let me know if I've missed anything....

IceTrojan Jun 15, 2007 8:56 pm

Ok seriously... when is the search going to be enabled for 3-letter entries? This is getting ridiculous.

ILuvParis Jun 15, 2007 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by IceTrojan (Post 7910606)
Ok seriously... when is the search going to be enabled for 3-letter entries? This is getting ridiculous.

Indeed. Suddenly I can't search the 2007 MLB season thread because MLB isn't long enough. Very annoying.

sandyweb33 Jun 24, 2007 3:50 pm

i can't search "marriott marquis new york city"! what is up with this?


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