Seat Availability = Award Availability?
#16




Join Date: May 2009
Location: SEA
Programs: AA EXP (2.5MM), Hilton Gold, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 4,857
That is exactly where it makes a difference. The point that is attempting to be made is that the value you get from the award ticket is not what it costs, but what you would pay for it. So your 27569 number is a fantasy. Would you, out of your own pocket, pay $27569? Or, would you rather wait for a fare sale, make some other date concessions, and pay <$2000 for business instead? Cost of an item is not equal to its value. There are many thread on FT where this has been discussed before.
#18
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 102,617
In principle, with DL miles you can book any available seat on DL at HIGH miles (of low/medium/high), but there have been reports of even high miles not always giving last seat availability.
Also with DL miles, if you have a DL AmEx card, you can use pay with miles for any fraction you wish of a ticket purchased through DL at approximately one cent per mile.
Also with DL miles, if you have a DL AmEx card, you can use pay with miles for any fraction you wish of a ticket purchased through DL at approximately one cent per mile.
#19
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: home = LAX
Posts: 26,113
That isn't what I've found at all. For example, last summer I booked two first-class one-way direct-flight tickets from LON to SFO with a United Standard (non-Saver) Award for 295K miles at the last minute. At the time, united.com said the tickets would have cost over $20K each. I just searched for the same tickets on the same date this year and the total cost of both is currently $27,569. With my United credit card, earning 295K miles means spending $147,500 which would earn $2,950 cash back at 2%. There's no comparison.
So what's the big difference between spending $1,000,000 to be able to get $20K tickets on "any airline", versus earning $20k cashback on a 2% cashback card???
My whole point in bringing up the revenue-based programs is to show how horrible they are in value, yet technically you can always get a reward seat. And those are the only programs that let you book a rewards seat on just about any airline in the world. Miles-based redemption programs like United's only let you book "anytime" awards on United's own flights.
You never hear about people getting First Class (or even Business) rewards from programs like Southwest or Capital One. It's not because it's possible, it's because it's no practical and not a good value. Everyone who trumpets Southwest and Capital One as "great way to get free flights" is talking about coach flights (and mostly domestic).
#20
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: home = LAX
Posts: 26,113
In principle, with DL miles you can book any available seat on DL at HIGH miles (of low/medium/high), but there have been reports of even high miles not always giving last seat availability.
Also with DL miles, if you have a DL AmEx card, you can use pay with miles for any fraction you wish of a ticket purchased through DL at approximately one cent per mile.
Also with DL miles, if you have a DL AmEx card, you can use pay with miles for any fraction you wish of a ticket purchased through DL at approximately one cent per mile.
I don't know whether DL has any similar "unlock" of extra inventory that comes with some or all status.
AA has "unlock" of extra "saver" inventory sometimes for its top level of status (EXP), but that's different. At AA "anytime" awards do give anyone (even without status/card) the last seat, unless the cabin is being "oversold" in which case no one can as an "anytime" award to get the last seat that can be bought.
(And so that's yet another question about DL exceptions, were they oversold flights or something more than that?)

