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Mwenenzi Jul 20, 2021 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by physicsdude (Post 33422225)
Thanks for this. I did not know that points don't expire for their program as long as there's activity.

Did some homework and tried to read up more on AY and QR's ffps and based on what I've read they compare to be neck-and-neck for me. Is there one program that has the edge over the other for award charts/redemption rates?

Many ffp's have that ff miles/points/avios do not expire with eligible activity on 18/24/36 months, BA is 36 months. What is eligible varies:- check the rules.
Some ffp's have no expiry and some are hard expiry (use them or lose them)
FT thread--->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mile...-t-expire.html

QR (Qatar) is considered not that good a ffp, unless you would fly them a lot More so if in premium cabins. But when flying in paid premium cabin status does not do a lot for you.

A very general award guide--> https://www.awardhacker.com/
With some ffp's is not accurate on multi segment awards. Need to check the detailed rules.


Originally Posted by physicsdude (Post 33422232)
I miscalculated the number of miles in hindsight- my international business trips would first stop in Helsinki, Doha, or even both for a few days and then head to East Asia and then coming back the way I came which is at least 40000 miles my minimum of two trips.

I meant "calendar year" as in what US carriers do, i.e you have the calendar year of 2021 to fulfill the requirements for status.

Anyways, I'll look into AS and BA.

Many/most ffp's have status earning over a year/12 months. Very few have status earning peroid over more than 12 months. One Star alliance ffp may have.

physicsdude Jul 20, 2021 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 33423547)
Many ffp's have that ff miles/points/avios do not expire with eligible activity on 18/24/36 months, BA is 36 months. What is eligible varies:- check the rules.
Some ffp's have no expiry and some are hard expiry (use them or lose them)
FT thread--->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mile...-t-expire.html

QR (Qatar) is considered not that good a ffp, unless you would fly them a lot More so if in premium cabins. But when flying in paid premium cabin status does not do a lot for you.

A very general award guide--> https://www.awardhacker.com/
With some ffp's is not accurate on multi segment awards. Need to check the detailed rules.


Many/most ffp's have status earning over a year/12 months. Very few have status earning peroid over more than 12 months. One Star alliance ffp may have.

Appreciate this.

travelkiosk Aug 10, 2021 10:16 am

Skywards is one best
 
Skywards gives good flier miles. I have indeed got upgrades when I travelled via emirates.

flymeaway333 Aug 15, 2021 9:47 am

Hi! New to Flyertalk and wondering if I'm going about everything wrong. I live in LA, do not travel for work, but travel a fair amount for pleasure and to visit family. My husband travels for work 5-6 times a year (pre-COVID). We're currently AA people. At one point he had status because he was flying to Europe business class for work, but that doesn't happen much anymore and he lost status. He has an AA credit card that gives him (and me) lounge access. I have a different AA card for free bags. These are the MAIN cards we use and put $10-14k on them combined monthly. I also have an Alaska card and United card simply for free bags. My primary question is whether someone like me, who doesn't travel for business but does between 16-24 legs a year in coach or economy plus, can get status/perks anywhere? Or is it hopeless and I should just continue to invest in the credit cards that give perks? THANKS in advance!!

Questions
For members asking for information, to help people to assist you, can you please provide:
(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
(upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.)
Reply: Good award redemption BUT I'd love upgrades and priority services. Not as worried about baggage/lounge access because I can get those with CCs.
(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)
Reply: Almost always economy or economy plus. Probably around under 25k but I'd guess between 16-24 legs, half of which are cross country.
(3) What types of fares do you usually buy ?
(First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest)
Reply: Economy and Premium economy.
(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Airline most flown? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Reply: Pleasure. I can choose.
(5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often
(US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc)
Reply: Domestic - US.
(6) What is your home airport?
(SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.)
Reply: LAX
(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in an airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
(AA Executive Platinum, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc)
Reply: No status. 250k miles in AA. Always a working balance in UA, Alaska, and sometime Southwest. In these I typically use them as soon as I've earned a reward, as opposed to letting them build up.
(8) Preferred Airlines
Reply: Alaska never disappoints, but isn't always available on the route I'm going. AA and UA feel like known quantities.

Mwenenzi Aug 16, 2021 6:02 pm

Flymeaway333 Welcome to FT

Originally Posted by flymeaway333 (Post 33492615)
Hi! New to Flyertalk and wondering if I'm going about everything wrong. I live in LA, do not travel for work, but travel a fair amount for pleasure and to visit family. My husband travels for work 5-6 times a year (pre-COVID). We're currently AA people. At one point he had status because he was flying to Europe business class for work, but that doesn't happen much anymore and he lost status. He has an AA credit card that gives him (and me) lounge access. I have a different AA card for free bags. These are the MAIN cards we use and put $10-14k on them combined monthly. I also have an Alaska card and United card simply for free bags. My primary question is whether someone like me, who doesn't travel for business but does between 16-24 legs a year in coach or economy plus, can get status/perks anywhere? Or is it hopeless and I should just continue to invest in the credit cards that give perks? THANKS in advance!!
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About ~20 (economy) flights, even if to one ffp, is unlikely to get mid-top level status. It is only mid-top level status that get status benefits that are worthwhile. You seem to frequent spenders more than frequent flyers.

AA & AS are both Oneworld airlines and close frequent flyer partners. You can fly AA and credit to the AS ffp. You can fly AS and credit to the AA ffp.

If you are paying an annual fee for the AA, AS & UA credit cards are you getting more benefits than the cc fee? ($25 bag fee?)

Having multiple ffp’s can have the effect of never getting enough ff miles to be able to use and/or expiry. However UA ff miles do not expire. However earn then burn is a good practice.

Note that premium economy is not the same as economy plus. PE for wide body long haul aircraft is a different class between economy and business class. Economy plus/MCE is just an economy seat/service with more leg room.

The grass is not greener on the other side

beachmouse Aug 16, 2021 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by flymeaway333 (Post 33492615)
Hi! New to Flyertalk and wondering if I'm going about everything wrong. I live in LA, do not travel for work, but travel a fair amount for pleasure and to visit family. My husband travels for work 5-6 times a year (pre-COVID). We're currently AA people. At one point he had status because he was flying to Europe business class for work, but that doesn't happen much anymore and he lost status. He has an AA credit card that gives him (and me) lounge access. I have a different AA card for free bags. These are the MAIN cards we use and put $10-14k on them combined monthly. I also have an Alaska card and United card simply for free bags. My primary question is whether someone like me, who doesn't travel for business but does between 16-24 legs a year in coach or economy plus, can get status/perks anywhere? Or is it hopeless and I should just continue to invest in the credit cards that give perks? THANKS in advance!!

You can somewhat easily spend your way to Platinum Medallion via the AmEx Delta Reserve card, which gives you 15K Medallion-qualifying miles (18.75K under a 2021-only promo) for every $30K of spend on the card. Your call if Delta's route network meets your needs and whether the opportunity cost of putting spend on the Reserve card is worth it. (Diamond Medallion has some significantly harder spend requirements whether via flight purchases or credit card spend) The Reserve card also gets you lounge access when you've got a Delta flight on that day and the usual free checked bags and such. Platinum Medallion usually gets you economy+/comfort+ seats at time of booking ,reasonably good odds for domestic first lass upgrades on many routes and 4 regional upgrade certificates if you select them as your annual Choice benefit.

Delta is also rolling over all Medallion Qualifying miles from 2021 for 2022, so your level of spending on a Reserve card could get you 50-60K MQMs (and Gold Medallion status) this year and a pretty easy pathway to PM in both 2022 and 2023 plus whatever actual flying you do.

NZ_Flyer Aug 26, 2021 9:02 pm

Appreciate some advice here. Potential to relocate to LAX for work from New Zealand for 2-3 years with regular domestic travel around the US (1x return every 2 weeks to NYC/DC/BOS/ORD - mainly East Coast) and international travel as below. I currently hold top tier with both QF and NZ and would be open to either keeping these or switching to a US based FFP. What are people's thoughts?

(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
(upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.)
Reply: Upgrades, award redemptions/upgrade awards and lounge access
(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)
Reply: 48 domestic US sectors per year in Y, 1x return to Europe in J, 1x return to UAE in J, 2x return to NZ in J (this has to be on Air NZ). This is work only and excludes personal travel which I'm not sure of yet
(3) What types of fares do you usually buy ?
(First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest)
Reply: Economy for domestic US for work, Business for work international. Mix of Business and Premium economy for pleasure
(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Airline most flown? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Reply: Can choose airline for work and pleasure. Class of service is economy domestic and business international
(5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often
(US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc)
Reply: As above mainly US Domestic with 1x EU, 1x UAE, 1x NZ + extra personal travel which is unknown at this stage
(6) What is your home airport?
(SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.)
Reply: LAX
(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in an airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
(AA Executive Platinum, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc)
Reply: QF Platinum, NZ Elite
(8) Preferred Airlines
Reply: No preference for US airline

traveller25251 Nov 1, 2021 5:20 am

I would appreciate some help in choosing a Frequent Flyer Program. Thank you in advance.

(1) What is most important to you in a FFP?
(upgrades on travel, priority services when flying the airline, extra baggage allowance, good award redemption rates, better award access, free - discounted lounge access, etc.)

Reply: priority services, extra bag allowance

(2) How many miles do you usually fly each year & in what class? How many flights/sectors?
(<25000, 25000-50000, >50000 miles - <25, 25-50, >50 flights?)

Reply: 10-20, mostly Europe

(3) What types of fares do you usually buy ?
(First, Business, Premium economy, Economy, cheapest)

Reply: cheapest/Economy

(4) Can you choose your airlines and/or class of service? Airline most flown? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?

Reply: I travel mostly for pleasure. Sometimes in business but rarely since it's not worth it in short distances.

(5) Which routes and airlines do you fly most often
(US Domestic, Transpacific, Kangaroo, in Asia etc)

Reply: Helsinki - Frankfurt 12x per year, I fly mostly with Lufthansa and Finnair

(6) What is your home airport?
(SFO, SCL, London LHR, HKG, Singapore SIN etc.)

Reply: Helsinki

(7) Do you have FFP status of any kind in an airline? What is it? Do you have any miles banked in a FFP?
(AA Executive Platinum, UA 1K, LAN Comodoro, etc)

Reply: No

(8) Preferred Airlines

Reply: Any will do. I do prefer Finnair over Star Alliance though.

LYuen Nov 2, 2021 3:34 pm

Relocate to the UK, Virgin Points or Krisflyer FFP?
 
Hi, I am relocating from New Zealand to the UK next year and am looking for flights to book and FFP to join.
It is likely I will join BAEC if I book Qatar and Skywards if I book Emirates.

But for the remaining option, SQ, I am thinking of joining Virgin Points or Krisflyer.

Pros for Virgin
Non-expiring points
Non-flying miles earn and burn
Can accumulate miles on some *A airlines

Cons for Virgin
MAN doesn't seem to be a VS hub
Miss out some European *A airlines, e.g. LX and LH
Uncertainty on Virgin after the pandemic?
My travel pattern does not contain trans-Atlantic flights

Pros for Krisflyer
Access to all *A airlines

Cons for Krisflyer
Miles have a hard expiry

1. What is most important to you in a frequent flyer program (FFP)?

Miles earn and burn

2. How many miles do you usually fly each year? How many flights/sectors?
1-2 return Europe and Asia per year

3. What fare class do you usually buy?
Economy

4. Are you able to choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
Yes but price-sensitive

5. Which routes do you fly most often?
European short-haul, and Europe-Asia

6. What is your home airport?
Likely to be Manchester

7. Do you have status in any FFP? What is it? How miles do you have banked in each FFP, if any?
Will open BAEC and possibly EK. No status accrued right now

8. What are your preferred airlines, if any?
QR, SQ and most Asian airlines

fjfv19 Nov 16, 2021 9:01 pm

Hi - Recently relocated from the NYC area to South Florida, and live in Palm Beach County. I was a loyal United flyer forever (and also Air Canada when flying home) but trying to figure out what to do in my situation. American is a logical choice in SFL but the airline seems to have a fair amount of negative reviews. Delta is an options, but definitely means saying goodbye to valuable award redemptions. Curious what people think.

1. What is most important to you in a frequent flyer program (FFP)?

>>> Reply: Award redemptions, upgrades

2. How many miles do you usually fly each year? How many flights/sectors?
>>> Reply: BIS probably 65k-75k but with bonus, I tend to clear over 100k in a normal year (1K on United for a number of years)

3. What fare class do you usually buy?
>>> Reply: Mainly business, but economy if the flight is under 3 hours total.

4. Are you able to choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
>>> Reply: Yes, I can choose airline. I travel mostly for work.

5. Which routes do you fly most often?
>>> Reply: Domestic, varies. Recently I've been doing more IAH, RNO, CVG, RDU, BOS, LGA, JFK, ATL, DEN, EGE, SFO

6. What is your home airport?
>>> Reply: FLL / PBI. I can do MIA but it is an enormous PITA.

7. Do you have status in any FFP? What is it? How miles do you have banked in each FFP, if any?
>>> Reply: 1K on United, Gold on Delta. I have 520k+ MileagePlus miles and over 720k lifetime miles flown on United. With Delta, minimal of both.

8. What are your preferred airlines, if any?
>>> Reply: United, to date, however having direct flights to JFK/LGA/BOS is important to me. United flies to EWR with no directs to BOS from South Florida. If American didn't seemingly have bad reviews, American would be a logical choice from Florida (also means more trips to MIA...). Delta is a better airline from a customer service standpoint and it has direct flights to LGA/JFK and BOS. The award redemptions seem to be bad, however. I'm caught about whether to stick with United or move most of my flying to Delta/American and sprinkle in Southwest/JetBlue where needed.

guv1976 Nov 16, 2021 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by fjfv19 (Post 33735254)
Hi - Recently relocated from the NYC area to South Florida, and live in Palm Beach County. I was a loyal United flyer forever (and also Air Canada when flying home) but trying to figure out what to do in my situation. American is a logical choice in SFL but the airline seems to have a fair amount of negative reviews. Delta is an options, but definitely means saying goodbye to valuable award redemptions. Curious what people think.

1. What is most important to you in a frequent flyer program (FFP)?

>>> Reply: Award redemptions, upgrades

2. How many miles do you usually fly each year? How many flights/sectors?
>>> Reply: BIS probably 65k-75k but with bonus, I tend to clear over 100k in a normal year (1K on United for a number of years)

3. What fare class do you usually buy?
>>> Reply: Mainly business, but economy if the flight is under 3 hours total.

4. Are you able to choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
>>> Reply: Yes, I can choose airline. I travel mostly for work.

5. Which routes do you fly most often?
>>> Reply: Domestic, varies. Recently I've been doing more IAH, RNO, CVG, RDU, BOS, LGA, JFK, ATL, DEN, EGE, SFO

6. What is your home airport?
>>> Reply: FLL / PBI. I can do MIA but it is an enormous PITA.

7. Do you have status in any FFP? What is it? How miles do you have banked in each FFP, if any?
>>> Reply: 1K on United, Gold on Delta. I have 520k+ MileagePlus miles and over 720k lifetime miles flown on United. With Delta, minimal of both.

8. What are your preferred airlines, if any?
>>> Reply: United, to date, however having direct flights to JFK/LGA/BOS is important to me. United flies to EWR with no directs to BOS from South Florida. If American didn't seemingly have bad reviews, American would be a logical choice from Florida (also means more trips to MIA...). Delta is a better airline from a customer service standpoint and it has direct flights to LGA/JFK and BOS. The award redemptions seem to be bad, however. I'm caught about whether to stick with United or move most of my flying to Delta/American and sprinkle in Southwest/JetBlue where needed.

I don't have a recommendation for you, but just want to make sure that you are aware of two important points:

1. AA has a new tie-up with B6, such that you can earn AA miles on B6 flights. And B6 has service to BOS/LGA/JFK from both PBI and FLL -- with an extensive route network from FLL (including Mint service to LAX and SFO).

2. AA is revamping its program for attaining elite status in 2022. You might want to familiarize yourself with the new program (there's a thread in the FT AA forum) before making your decision. AA elites will enjoy some benefits when flying B6, and B6 flights credited to the AAdvantage program will count towards earning AA status.

Good luck!

fjfv19 Nov 17, 2021 4:36 am


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 33735294)
I don't have a recommendation for you, but just want to make sure that you are aware of two important points:

1. AA has a new tie-up with B6, such that you can earn AA miles on B6 flights. And B6 has service to BOS/LGA/JFK from both PBI and FLL -- with an extensive route network from FLL (including Mint service to LAX and SFO).

2. AA is revamping its program for attaining elite status in 2022. You might want to familiarize yourself with the new program (there's a thread in the FT AA forum) before making your decision. AA elites will enjoy some benefits when flying B6, and B6 flights credited to the AAdvantage program will count towards earning AA status.

Good luck!

thanks so much. I will look into that.

KeithRedford Nov 26, 2021 5:53 pm

1. What is most important to you in a frequent flyer program (FFP)?
>>> Reply: Upgrades, Good award redemption rates

2. How many miles do you usually fly each year? How many flights/sectors?
>>> Reply: Less than 25000 miles, about 50-100 flights

3. What fare class do you usually buy?
>>> Reply: First when possible, if not on occasion Y

4. Are you able to choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
>>> Reply: Yes, can choose airline & class of service, travel primarily for work but also pleasure as well

5. Which routes do you fly most often?
>>> Reply: Domestic US

6. What is your home airport?
>>> Reply: HPN and also JFK/LGA/EWR. In a real situation can also fly out of BDL, HVN, ISP, and SWF.

7. Do you have status in any FFP? What is it? How miles do you have banked in each FFP, if any?
>>> Reply: Just a general member in all major US carrier programs. Most I currently have is 20,000 AAdvantage miles

8. What are your preferred airlines, if any?
>>> Reply: Delta and American, but also open to United, Southwest, and JetBlue if need be.

Mwenenzi Nov 26, 2021 7:40 pm

Back to being based in US, Best Programs?
 
KeithRedford Welcome to FT

From the other thread (that may get merged or deleted)

Originally Posted by KeithRedford (Post 33761742)
Hello all,

Please move if this isn't the most appropriate place.

I'm originally from the US, moved to Canada after college for work for a few years, and now back in the US after accepting a new job position (NYC area). This new position I have also will require travel, primarily domestic. I have accounts with all the "major" airlines but was wondering which would be the best one to maintain a higher level of status on? I would primarily be flying out of either Westchester County (HPN) or one of the NYC airports (LGA, JFK, EWR). Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!

From what I have read unless you top level status getting upgrades is hard. From NYC will be 1000's with top tier status. Going to be hard with less 25,000 flight miles to get mid status but flying first will help (many shortish flights?). USA based ffp's are now more frequent spender programmes and not so much frequent flyer programs. Have you crunched the numbers for UA DL & AA ffp? With AA ffp revised rules would you get status?

Does the new position have a corporate travel policy? Preferred airline and/or hotel chain?
What airlines fly where you need to go, at an acceptable price, from your preferred airport? How easy to drive to EWR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westch...County_Airport
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=HPN%2C%...F&MS=wls&DU=mi
Can you/will get ff miles from cc spend?

guv1976 Nov 26, 2021 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by KeithRedford (Post 33761790)
1. What is most important to you in a frequent flyer program (FFP)?
>>> Reply: Upgrades, Good award redemption rates

2. How many miles do you usually fly each year? How many flights/sectors?
>>> Reply: Less than 25000 miles, about 50-100 flights

3. What fare class do you usually buy?
>>> Reply: First when possible, if not on occasion Y

4. Are you able to choose your airlines and/or class of service? Do you travel for work and/or pleasure?
>>> Reply: Yes, can choose airline & class of service, travel primarily for work but also pleasure as well

5. Which routes do you fly most often?
>>> Reply: Domestic US

6. What is your home airport?
>>> Reply: HPN and also JFK/LGA/EWR. In a real situation can also fly out of BDL, HVN, ISP, and SWF.

7. Do you have status in any FFP? What is it? How miles do you have banked in each FFP, if any?
>>> Reply: Just a general member in all major US carrier programs. Most I currently have is 20,000 AAdvantage miles

8. What are your preferred airlines, if any?
>>> Reply: Delta and American, but also open to United, Southwest, and JetBlue if need be.

You should familiarize yourself with the upcoming changes to the AAdvantage program to see if its new "Loyalty Points" program would get you status. Note that AA has a new tie-in with JetBlue: flights on JetBlue can be credited to AA, and count towards achieving AAdvantage status. And AA elites will enjoy some benefits when flying JetBlue. Also, if you will have significant spend on AA hotel and/or car-rental partners, that can also count towards AA status.


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