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Maxwell Smart Jun 29, 2017 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by introspection (Post 28491923)
All,

I have a PIO card that I have not been able to get converted to OCI

I now have to go to India during the first week of July.

Although the offical last date to convert PIO to OCI is June 30, 2017, I won't be able to apply to get mine converted before then (currently out of country on another trip)

Does anyone know if I can travel to India with my PIO card in early July? Any suggestions on where to look to get a definitive response?

thanks for any info / suggestions!


The Cox and Kings website (https://www.in.ckgs.us/) now states that free PIO-to-OCI conversion has been extended to Dec 31 2017.

It is also reported at this website: http://www.firstpost.com/india/centr...r-3752887.html

However, the US Indian embassy and consulate websites all continue to state the June 30 deadline, so thus far I have seen nothing on an official govt site confirming the extension.

Whether the whole PIO-to-OCI conversion is even mandatory or optional is still not clear-cut, I've received email from the embassy stating that PIO cards continue to be valid after June 30, but friends have been told over the phone by consulate personnel that a PIO will only be valid if it is accompanied by a receipt indicating the OCI has been applied for.
And of course, none of the embassy/consulate websites have anything that addresses this, instead using words like 'advised to convert', 'last day to convert', 'convert to avoid inconveniences', and never actually state if it's required (probably because they don't want to lose out on application and processing fees).
Some basic questions I'd love to see answered AND POSTED on official sites:

1. Is PIO-to-OCI conversion mandatory or simply recommended?
2. If one does nothing, will existing valid PIO cards continue to be valid for entry to India? (since some statements posted on the embassy/consulate sites that say that all PIO cardholders are now considered OCI holders). And if so, are they now valid for life or will they expire per expiration date on them?
3. Can PIO-to-OCI conversion be done after the period of 'free' conversion ends?

SuperFlyBoy Jun 29, 2017 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart (Post 28501387)
The Cox and Kings website (https://www.in.ckgs.us/) now states that free PIO-to-OCI conversion has been extended to Dec 31 2017.

It is also reported at this website: http://www.firstpost.com/india/centr...r-3752887.html

However, the US Indian embassy and consulate websites all continue to state the June 30 deadline, so thus far I have seen nothing on an official govt site confirming the extension.

Whether the whole PIO-to-OCI conversion is even mandatory or optional is still not clear-cut, I've received email from the embassy stating that PIO cards continue to be valid after June 30, but friends have been told over the phone by consulate personnel that a PIO will only be valid if it is accompanied by a receipt indicating the OCI has been applied for.
And of course, none of the embassy/consulate websites have anything that addresses this, instead using words like 'advised to convert', 'last day to convert', 'convert to avoid inconveniences', and never actually state if it's required (probably because they don't want to lose out on application and processing fees).
Some basic questions I'd love to see answered AND POSTED on official sites:

1. Is PIO-to-OCI conversion mandatory or simply recommended?
2. If one does nothing, will existing valid PIO cards continue to be valid for entry to India? (since some statements posted on the embassy/consulate sites that say that all PIO cardholders are now considered OCI holders). And if so, are they now valid for life or will they expire per expiration date on them?
3. Can PIO-to-OCI conversion be done after the period of 'free' conversion ends?

I just entered and was told that applying for OCI was "highly recommended" as they would be "cancelling" the PIO status.

However, I retorted by asking: "Isn't the PIO supposed to be lifelong?", and the immigration officer agreed, but with uncertainty and stating the previous recommendation...

GUWonder Jun 29, 2017 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart (Post 28501387)
The Cox and Kings website (https://www.in.ckgs.us/) now states that free PIO-to-OCI conversion has been extended to Dec 31 2017.

It is also reported at this website: http://www.firstpost.com/india/centr...r-3752887.html

However, the US Indian embassy and consulate websites all continue to state the June 30 deadline, so thus far I have seen nothing on an official govt site confirming the extension.

Whether the whole PIO-to-OCI conversion is even mandatory or optional is still not clear-cut, I've received email from the embassy stating that PIO cards continue to be valid after June 30, but friends have been told over the phone by consulate personnel that a PIO will only be valid if it is accompanied by a receipt indicating the OCI has been applied for.
And of course, none of the embassy/consulate websites have anything that addresses this, instead using words like 'advised to convert', 'last day to convert', 'convert to avoid inconveniences', and never actually state if it's required (probably because they don't want to lose out on application and processing fees).
Some basic questions I'd love to see answered AND POSTED on official sites:

1. Is PIO-to-OCI conversion mandatory or simply recommended?
2. If one does nothing, will existing valid PIO cards continue to be valid for entry to India? (since some statements posted on the embassy/consulate sites that say that all PIO cardholders are now considered OCI holders). And if so, are they now valid for life or will they expire per expiration date on them?
3. Can PIO-to-OCI conversion be done after the period of 'free' conversion ends?

My understanding was that the government wants to completely stop just about any and all support for PIO status. So at some point that will mean the PIO status becomes just about completely meaningless if it hasn't been used to get converted into OCI and/or get documented as an OCI.

My bet is that at some point those PIOs who haven't gone in for the conversion to OCI will have to apply for OCI (if they qualify) and just forget about PIO status meaning much of anything.

B747-437B Jul 1, 2017 8:48 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 28501775)
My understanding was that the government wants to completely stop just about any and all support for PIO status.

PIO and OCI status have already ceased to exist.

The only status currently recognised is "OCI Cardholder" status. Both erstwhile PIO and OCI status have been converted to the new status.

The only question here is the physical card. Every former PIO is already considered an OCI cardholder by decree.

fw10001 Jul 21, 2017 9:17 am

Lifetime PIO, but what of age thresholds?
 

Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 24628461)
Why do you want to get an OCI card? PIO cards work well and need no replacement. They are valid for the life time of the holder as per gazette notification in later September 2014:

Dear all, thanks for this discussion which I found more illuminating than going through CKGS, Indian embassies and consulates, and immihelp websites. A few questions...

1. Has anyone actually gotten any Immigration checkpoint in India to notate the PIO card for lifetime validity? My impression is that this is not mandatory, but it's useful to have in case GoI changes/reinterprets its rules again.

2. What about PIO cards held by minors that were initially valid for 15 years? Those cards have an expiration date on them, but is the expiration date henceforth rendered irrelevant?

3. My minor child's PIO card has a page dedicated to "endorsement to be made by a competent authority in case of change/renewal of passport of this PIO card holder." Given US passports for minors change every 5 years, can this endorsements page get updated simply by the personnel at the Immigration checkpoint when entering India? Has anyone had that happen?
Or does one need to go through the CKGS "black hole" system in advance (and very likely be strong-armed by CKGS into switching to an OCI)?

Thank you for your advice.

oliver2002 Mar 10, 2019 3:23 am

Yesterday was at the counter next to me in Delhi immigration and used her PIO card. The BoI officer gave her the usual 'get an OCI card' speech and she challenged him if this was really necessary and when the PIO card would be invalid. Since there was not much going on the officer loudly asked his supervisor (across three counters) what the policy was. He responded that there is no official circular so far to that topic. They are supposed to remind people to convert to OCI but old PIO cards remain valid until further notice.

oliver2002 Oct 31, 2019 3:59 am

It seems a date for the demise of the PIO card is now set. The TIMATIC entry for India has this passage:


Furthermore, Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Cards are no longer being issued. Passengers with PIO status must convert their PIO status to OCI status before the 31 March 2020. From the 31 March 2020, passengers with a PIO card will no longer be allowed to enter.

oliver2002 Dec 7, 2020 11:51 am

TIMATIC now has this messge:


Warning:

Passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card must change their PIO status to Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) status before 31 December 2020. Effective from 1 January 2021, passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card will not be allowed to enter

oliver2002 Mar 10, 2021 11:41 pm

Just saw this message during my checkin with LH:


Passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card must change their PIO status to Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) status before 31 December 2021. Effective from 1 January 2022, passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card will not be allowed to enter.

Passengers with an Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) card must have both passports when the passport number in the OCI card does not match the one in the valid passport.

mohanlal2000 Jul 25, 2021 5:03 pm

PIO to OCI Conversion
 
I am trying to apply for OCI in lieu of valid PIO. However I am getting stuck in a very peculiar situation. In the Applicants information, when I choose Date of Birth as Adult, the Marital Status box shows up as mandatory. Once I select Married, then the entire Spouse information is required(like PP number etc). If I enter all the information for my spouse, then the form shows that this is being applied on the basis of Spouse eligibility which is not correct. I don't see any checkbox for deselecting this option(as per instructions). How do I proceed?

Thanks!

Keyser Jul 25, 2021 9:30 pm

a lot of these government websites are poorly configured, leading to mistakes like this....you can try complaining but don't expect them to do anything quickly....

mohanlal2000 Jul 25, 2021 9:40 pm

Agreed. But this is not mere complaining- unable to proceed further!

GMOChicken Jul 26, 2021 5:50 pm

Websites developed by inadequate developers are often only tested in the most basic configurations. The form may be breaking because of some non-standard setting on your browser, and could start to work for you if you change your browser & its configuration to match what those developers expect.

You could try the following...
Try the form again after disabling any adblocking or anti-virus browser addons. Also make sure your browser is not blocking cookies/third-party cookies. If that does not work try another browser (i.e. if you use chrome, try the form again in Edge or Firefox).

If all else fails & you yourself are a software developer, there's always the option of firing up the debugger & bludgeoning the form into submission.

oliver2002 Jul 27, 2021 8:59 am

Flushing the cookies and any preloaded stuff with crtl+shift+R helps too ;)

mohanlal2000 Jul 27, 2021 9:47 am

Unfortunately, tried three different browsers and 2 different computers. Just cant see a way around this :-(

oliver2002 Jul 27, 2021 10:03 am

Don't mention the spouse perhaps?

mohanlal2000 Jul 27, 2021 10:06 am

Unfortunately that's the issue! Moment I choose Married, the Spouse information becomes mandatory.

mkannuri Apr 14, 2022 11:44 am

Hi fw10001 i have similar question. Here are my details..

After this PIO-OCI conversion news published, we made a trip to india and landed in BLR back in 2016, the immigration checkpoint has no clue regarding stamping of "Life time validty" on our son's PIO booklet. Luckily i have taken the printout of the publication and after some back n forth moments (almost 2 hours delayed), finally they stamped our son's (minor 12years) PIO card with this Life time validity.
Just now realized ( planning a trip to india) that his PIO card has expired in 2020 when he turned 16. I am not sure whats our course of action..
Should we continue to carry his expired PIO booklet having the "Life time validity" stamp or should we apply again and go thru new OCI process ??

Technically the life time validity stamp should work but my son PIO card has picture of 1 year old when he applied. I dont want any trouble at the immigration that too having connecting flight at DELHI to HYD is only 4 hours..

Appreciate if any one in my situation has any inputs.

oliver2002 Feb 9, 2024 4:57 am

The PIO card validity saga continues... noticed this in TIMATIC ( https://www.emirates.com/de/english/...destination=in )


Visa required.

Visa Exemptions:

Passengers with a Person of Indian Origin (PIO) card.

Passengers with a Person of Indian Origin (PIO) card that expired after 9 January 2015.

Passengers with a Person of Indian Origin (PIO) card.
Also:

Warning:

[...]Passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card must change their PIO status to Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) status before 31 December 2024. Effective from 1 January 2025, passengers with a Persons of Indian Origin (PIO) Card will not be allowed to enter.

Passengers with an Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) card must apply for a new Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) card only once when they obtain a new passport after turning 20 years old.
So they have extended the deadline one 'last' time?


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