Well, we've heard all about Jet's imminent flights to a host of cities and their certain move of hub to a bunch of other cities so many times, what's to say this go-around will be any different.

Tel Aviv, Amsterdam, Rome, Manila, Saigon, Paris, Manchester, Dar es Salaam, Munich, Vladivostok and Porto Alegre were all imminent.

And the hub was moving to (take your pick).

Might as well make that into a hub to service the 5x daily to pyongyang.

Jet like to defend themselves by claiming "we're better than Air Koryo" anyway, so that makes perfect sense.

A match made in hell!

amen to that....

LH tends to be very gracious with availability. I can see TATL F/J on Saver F/J awards available in the UA MP inventory as little as a few days out!

Really hope it works out!

Lufthansa has the second largest passenger fleet
Ranks 4th in terms of passengers flown
Ranks 5th in terms of passenger miles flown.
96% of passenger miles flown are international (with Air France, it's 92%)
EK (100% of passenger miles flown are international) and LH rank first and second in terms of international passenger miles flown.
Do the math.

No wonder that LH has extra capacity that it can't sell. EK's backers with deep pockets provide it with subsidies. LH probably gets big subsidies, as all European airlines do, from their Govt, of the country with the largest and the best positioned economy in EU.

Again, this is exactly why I can't wait for something like this to work out. I just hope that 9W doesn't muddle around with the inter-agreement between M&M and JP to the point that LH gets sick and tired and reduces what they're bringing to the table.

Well, the JetPunishment points aren't entirely useless right now. One can make use of them on any of Jet's thousands of partners (and one does, gleefully!).

But yes, they are near worthless on Jet itself.

Well, what're your thoughts on the redemption levels? Don't they seem a bit out of whack for partner awards? They quoted me 167.5k for a one way J award JFK-DXB...

Precisely.

I would term it a bit whacked-out myself...

You have got to be kidding ... they got privatised in 1992 and after begging financial institutions for 4-5 years managed the turnaround.

Now thats a real joke. LHT provides service to umpteen airlines.... 'Volk' is one term term that would offput any German investor...

You have got to be kidding if you think LH is not subsidised by or would not receive subsidies from by the German Govt in any way regardless of its ownership status.
In any case that was only one of the factors, which does not invalidate other factors that leave LH with extra capacity.
Do you think privately owned corporations do not receive Govt subsidies?

I haven't looked at all of Jet's partners (I couldn't even if wanted to, there's so many of them; Jet does get around!), but it's not all bad.

I've redeemed Jet points on Cathay and Delta and the partner redemption levels have about 20% higher, but the difference in cash component was so stark it was totally worth it.

This is from a few months ago, for BOM-HKG in Y:
** Using Jet points to fly Jet: 20,000 points plus Rs 8,000
** Using Jet points to fly Cathay: 25,000 points plus Rs 773

For the same route in J:
** Using Jet points to fly Jet: Not possible, but would have been 40,000 points plus Rs 11,000-ish
** Using Jet points to fly Cathay: 50,000 points plus Rs 893


Add to it a diminishing JP balance and the ability to fly a better airline and I have no complaints.

You're claiming all privately owned companies in Europe get government subsidies?

Brussels would rather see an airline die than let a government prop up an airline in the best of times.

that's exactly what i have been doing for the last couple of years....

i guess it all depends on the sectors....i recently redeemed pdx-sfo on united first for only 7.5k miles....economy was only 2.5k....