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A. BACKGROUND INFORMATION

1. What is the purpose of this thread?

Ans: This thread is intended to help for FTers in navigating and resolving any potential issues related to their trips to Hong Kong, in light of to ongoing prolonged civil unrest in Hong Kong. The information on this guide is based on non-biased publicly available facts and data.While editing will be made as necessary to reflect the most updated development, please keep in mind that this guide is non-exhaustive. You should take any as necessary.

Declaimer– this thread is not intended to discuss about the civil unrest. FT has designated threads for the discussion of the civil unrest.

2. What should I know about the situation?

Ans: To make things simple, the civil unrest basically started from an anti-government movement against a proposed amendment to the existing extradition law due to an alleged murder occurred in Taiwan. Then it evolved to a conflict between the police and the protestors, as well as between pro-government/bill amendment supporters vs. anti-government/bill amendment supporters.

3. Does the civil unrest happen 24/7 or else?

Ans: Based on historical development, generally the unrest starts from a demonstration/protest, which usually happens after 12 pm. Then the confrontations start a few hours after the demonstration/protest and lasts passing midnight.

In most of the cases, non-business days are considered high risk days for the unrest. However, if there are any provocations, unrest can still occur on a business day within hours of the purported provocation.


B. PRE-TRAVEL ARRANGEMENT

1. Should I go to Hong Kong now? What about any future trips?

Ans: It is entirely up to you. So far, only Singapore has issued a travel alerts/advisory urging against non-essential travel to Hong Kong.

2. What recourse do I have if I want to change my trip to Hong Kong?

Ans: So far, there is no travel waiver/exception in place for Hong Kong. So the travel provider's standard cancellation policies will apply and most likely you will have to pay a penalty or change fee. However, there are reports of some exceptions have been made. This is straight YMMV situation for now. You will have to discuss your travel providers (airlines, hotel, TAs, etc.) for detail.

3. I heard that HKG has been affected by the unrest. Should I be worry if I plan to transit at HKG only?

Ans: It is entirely up to you.

Since the shut down on August 13, 2019, HKG has significantly tightened its security and heavily restricted its access. The High Court of Hong Kong has imposed an injunction against any non-legitimate use of the airport. In theory, there is no reason why you can't transit at HKG without issue.

However, keep in mind that airport/airline employees do not generally live/stay nearby. Their access may/can be impacted by the unrest, resulting a domino effect that eventually impact flight operations at HKG.

4. Which hotel should I stay?

Ans: It is entirely up to you. Because of how hotels in Hong Kong are positioned, the majority of hotels are nearby hot spots (see below) and have been impacted by the civil unrest. There are only limited options away from the hot spots. Many of those are not easily accessible by public transportation and are usually more expensive in comparison to hotels in similar levels. Use your own judgment to determine which one would work best or the least worst for you.

5. How about travel insurance (including benefits offered by credit cards)?

Ans: Because Hong Kong SAR Government has claimed in several occasions that certain events during the unrest as riots, insurers may exclude coverage as a result. Make sure you review necessary terms and conditions and contact your insurer/benefit administrator first.

6. I would like to go to Macau/Mainland China as well. Do I have anything to concern?

Ans: Yes. Since the civil unrest, both Macau/Mainland China has tightened its border security. It has been reported that many have been subjected to additional questioning. Some have been denied entries, and even detained.


C. IN HONG KONG

1. How can I avoid troubles?

Ans: You can avoid troubles by:
a. Avoid any related discussions in any public settings within the Greater China areas (Hong Kong, Macau, Mainland China, and Taiwan)
b. Avoid going to any hot spots (See below)
c. Avoid taking pictures or video of the protests/confrontations/etc.
d. Avoid wearing any top clothing either in black or white in colour
e. Be vigilant about your surroundings
f. Leave at once when situations are deteriorating, i.e. when you see police personnel in riot gears are present nearby, or there is a massive gathering nearby

Situations can deteriorate in seconds. Please process with extreme cautions and do not wait until the last minutes before out of control.

2. Where are the hot spots?

Ans: Based on historical development of this unrest, the following non-exhaustive points of interests have experienced either major conflicts or damages:
a. Best Mart 360
b. China Travel Service's Entry Permit Service Centres
c. Chinese* banks' facilities - ATMs and/or branches
d. Government buildings named "Government Offices"
e. HSBC Group# banks' facilities - ATMs and/or branches
f. Maxim's operated locations
f. MTR facilities - MTR (including Airport Express) Stations, Light Rail Stations and Bus Stops, Hong Kong West Kowloon (CRH) Station, Malls, etc.
g. Police stations
h. Retail networks of Sino United Publishing (Holdings) Limited, including, but not limited to Chung Hwa Book Company, Joint Publishing and the Commercial Press
i. UGC-funded universities
j. Yoshinoya
k. VTC Member Institutions
l. Immediate vicinity (Within 5-15 minutes of walking distance) of the locations above

In addition, Central Government Complex and Hong Kong Liaison Office have experienced multiple confrontations. When both of the British Consulate General and the U.S. Consulate General are not impacted, they have frequently become demonstration destinations.

Unless necessary, these areas should be avoided as much as practically possible.

* Based on self-identification, including Bank of China (Hong Kong), Bank of Communications, China Construction Bank (Asia), China CITIC Bank, Chiyu Banking Corporation Limited, Chong Hing Bank, CMB Wing Lung Bank, ICBC (Asia), and Nanyang Commercial Bank.

# Hang Seng Bank and the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited

3. How bad is the traffic? How can I get around Hong Kong?

Ans: MTR has been frequently targeted during the civil unrest, which practically paralyzed the entire system. MTR may/can suspended service without prior notices, and this happened in the past. This includes Airport Express service. Please plan carefully if you intend to travel with MTR (including Airport Express). If you intend to use the in-town check-in at Hong Kong/Kowloon Station, please make sure that Airport Express is in service and you are able to reach the station. Please follow Twitter MTR Service Update (@mtrupdate)*.

At this moment, public bus is the most reliable form of public transportation, even routes may be cancelled or diverted. Each of the major bus operators has its own smartphone Apps (KMB/LWB - APP 1933 - KMB/LWB, First Bus/Citybus - CitybusNWFB). Make sure that you have a smartphone with mobile data when you are in Hong Kong. Those Apps can help you navigate within Hong Kong, providing live update to current service status.

* MTR Mobile is MTR's official Mobile App. However, the App has often been criticized for its slow update than this unofficial Twitter.

4. What are the police using?

Ans: During the civil unrest, the Hong Kong Police Force has utilized the following non-exhaustive weaponry:

a. Lethal Weapons
- SIG Sauer P250
- Smith & Wesson Model 10

b. Non-lethal Weapons
- Baton
- Beanbag rounds, delivered by Remington Model 870
- Pepper spray, delivered by canister, water tank spray, pepper-spray projectile (including PepperBall VKS), and/or water cannon
- Rubber bullet rounds, delivered by Remington Model 870 or Federal Riot Gun
- Specialized Crowd Management Vehicle, commonly known as water cannon, delivering special dyed chemical water with tear gas substance
- Sponge rounds, delivered by Pacem Defense ALS Bore Thunder Launcher Adapter
- Tactical light
- Tear Gas, delivered by grenade or Federal Riot Gun

The following are safety data sheet of some of the above weaponry:
- NonLethal Technologies
- Pacem Defense ALS
- PepperBall

Note - the above information is provided for information only.

5. I see from the news that many have protective gears. Should I be prepared as well?

Ans: Preferably not a good idea.

Protective gears may/can be subject to import/export control. You could get serious trouble in found. Also – while unofficially, it seems that the police is focusing those who have protective gears. So having protective gears on can become a case of mistaken identity. Beside, the effect of protective gears are very limited in protection, as they are designed for industrial use only, but not withstanding weaponry.

6. What else can I do?

Ans: a) Make sure you have to your country’s emergency contact (international and local consulate) ready. For other countries which have their consulates in Macau, check with their consulates respectively. For Portugal, please ensure you have the emergency contact of another consulate of an EU member state located in Hong Kong.

Here is a list of contacts of all consulates serving Hong Kong.

b) Because the situation can change very rapidly, especially MTR closures, a smartphone with mobile data is essential when moving about. Having a smartphone App with live alert from a local media will also help you to avoid areas with trouble.

c) Be mindful of your actions. Due to the tightened tensions, an innocent move can be seen as a provocation. Always remember - Safety first.

d) Be extremely mindful about the content of your mobile devices. Any contents related to the unrest may/can possibly cause you troubles, Hong Kong and/or elsewhere.
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Old Dec 27, 2019, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by helvetic
Unless you're trying to order food from them.
Haha, this was one of my SO's first observations. I've never really noticed it (being Asian and, I guess, inured to it), but it was one of the first things she (Caucasian) pointed out to me.

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Old Dec 28, 2019, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by helvetic
Unless you're trying to order food from them.
To this day, I'm still so fond of the "pretty girl" or "pretty boy" to get the wait staff's attention.
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Old Dec 31, 2019, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by Visconti
To this day, I'm still so fond of the "pretty girl" or "pretty boy" to get the wait staff's attention.
I assume you're saying those things in Cantonese. This is one Cantoneseism I can't work up the courage to use.
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Old Jan 1, 2020, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by dulcamara
I assume you're saying those things in Cantonese. This is one Cantoneseism I can't work up the courage to use.
LOL...yes, of course.

While I generally suck at speaking languages (the general laughter when I utilize my "cowboy" French comes to mind), but, for whatever reason, my Cantonese accent is pretty much spot on. Of course, on the downside my Mandarin causes all sorts of laughter and understandability issues when in Mainland.

PS - Generally, I only use the "pretty girl," but thought I'd add the "pretty boy" to be...ah...per my anticipated New Year's resolution to be more inclusive, I suppose.
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Old Jan 2, 2020, 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by dulcamara
This is one Cantoneseism I can't work up the courage to use.
Because it's never true?
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No matter which language I use in Hong Kong - English, gesticulations, Mandarin, or Cantonese (very, very basic), the response is always a resounding "sowwy, I don't KNOW." Indeed, I have only ever spoken Mandarin to older shop clerks, because the juvenile angst demographic won't have of it.

I suppose that's the true beauty of Octopus...never chat with anyone (in HK) again.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 10:44 pm
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I'm a fan of screaming 服务员 at the top of my lungs when in the mainland. Sadly, not appropriate in HK.
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To get back on topic. I'm at the Icon now and will be until Jan 22. Aside from PolyU, which is where I'm working and still somewhat of a mess, the area has been almost completely cleaned up. Harbour City shows no signs of disruption at all, but is almost empty. The starbucks in Mirror Tower is open and looks good as new. The promenade from the Star Ferry terminal to the avenue of the stars is pristine (especially since the crowds are so light) and I saw no sign of damage in a walk from the Icon to the terminal for the ferry to Macau.

Half of the PolyU campus is still waiting for the clearance from the hazmat inspection, routine but taking longer than expected. I'm working in the AMA department and they had some very minor damage. We're still supposed to avoid drinking the water. You can see signs of damage and fire all over campus. The university is doing an amazing job and should be able to start classes on time. Only the library will be shut down for a long time to fix some massive water damage. The pedestrian bridges around PolyU are still mostly closed.

The protests today (Sunday) were at the border and aimed at the parallel shoppers. I've seen zero protest activity so far. I'll have to be on the island sometime in the next couple days and that may change. I think it's ok to come here for work, but would not recommend Hong Kong as a relaxing family vacation destination right now.
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Old Jan 5, 2020, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by dulcamara
The protests today (Sunday) were at the border and aimed at the parallel shoppers. I've seen zero protest activity so far. I'll have to be on the island sometime in the next couple days and that may change. I think it's ok to come here for work, but would not recommend Hong Kong as a relaxing family vacation destination right now.
I duly disagree with you. While it's several weeks now since my departure, things have certainly not escalated since that. I don't know what a family holiday (*cough* vacation) means for you, but Disneyland, Stanley etc. are nothing but calm - like they've been all the time. And I wouldn't mind doing a family holiday on HK island or in Kowloon at this time.
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Old Jan 6, 2020, 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Yazata
I duly disagree with you. While it's several weeks now since my departure, things have certainly not escalated since that. I don't know what a family holiday (*cough* vacation) means for you, but Disneyland, Stanley etc. are nothing but calm - like they've been all the time. And I wouldn't mind doing a family holiday on HK island or in Kowloon at this time.
I agree with this sentiment. I think it's the perfect time to visit. The protests are easy to avoid using a little common sense. Hotel rates are low and, best of all, there are no crowds (point of reference, when I went in mid-November, there was no line for the Peak Tram on Sunday at noon, although I'm not sure how long a normal wait at that time would be).
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Old Jan 7, 2020, 3:42 am
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My family and I went to HK and stayed there for 6 days over Xmas and New Year. We spent 2 days at Disneyland. Hardly any queues on rides, most waiting for 5-10 mins, and maximum of 20 minutes. We stayed at JW Marriott at Admiralty, and for most days it was fine. On 1/1 there was demonstrations just outside Pacific Place, and some of the subway entrances are closed etc. But it was managable and easily avoided.

We even had dinners at Mongkok/Prince Edward area last Friday night, there were no issues at all.

The noticeable difference are the quietness of the place, the graffitis on the streets and bus stops, the plaster boards all over banks + a number of retail shops, the absence of fences on streets, hastily patched footpaths using concrete etc. But nothing dangerous.

We had a great time in HK and we commented that it is quieter given there are very little Mainland Chinese tourists coming. I actually think it is a great time to come to HK as long as you know which areas to avoid during planned protest day.
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Old Jan 7, 2020, 3:48 am
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We had a great time in HK and we commented that it is quieter given there are very little Mainland Chinese tourists coming. I actually think it is a great time to come to HK as long as you know which areas to avoid during planned protest day.
Will be headed there soon again, and think we should enjoy HK as much as we can before things settle and the crowds & tourists return en masse. No assurances, but, generally speaking, go when others are not, and leave when they're arriving usually works best, in my view.
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Will be headed there soon again, and think we should enjoy HK as much as we can before things settle and the crowds & tourists return en masse. No assurances, but, generally speaking, go when others are not, and leave when they're arriving usually works best, in my view.
Same tip: Sell when everyone including the C9s at the markets are talking about buying the hot stock.

Enjoy your visit, we need to plan some FT HK drinks DO.
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RE: C9s

Before I knew any better, will never forget addressing someone as C9. The tongue lashing and berating I received was epic ending with "next time, call me ah-jeah"!
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A number of recent posts have been moved to OMNI/PR as they do not belong to this thread. Please remember this is a survival guide for FTers visiting Hong Kong during the civil unrest. If you are eligible please continue general/political discussion in the following thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...-protests.html


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