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A. BACKGROUND INFORMATION

1. What is the purpose of this thread?

Ans: This thread is intended to help for FTers in navigating and resolving any potential issues related to their trips to Hong Kong, in light of to ongoing prolonged civil unrest in Hong Kong. The information on this guide is based on non-biased publicly available facts and data.While editing will be made as necessary to reflect the most updated development, please keep in mind that this guide is non-exhaustive. You should take any as necessary.

Declaimer– this thread is not intended to discuss about the civil unrest. FT has designated threads for the discussion of the civil unrest.

2. What should I know about the situation?

Ans: To make things simple, the civil unrest basically started from an anti-government movement against a proposed amendment to the existing extradition law due to an alleged murder occurred in Taiwan. Then it evolved to a conflict between the police and the protestors, as well as between pro-government/bill amendment supporters vs. anti-government/bill amendment supporters.

3. Does the civil unrest happen 24/7 or else?

Ans: Based on historical development, generally the unrest starts from a demonstration/protest, which usually happens after 12 pm. Then the confrontations start a few hours after the demonstration/protest and lasts passing midnight.

In most of the cases, non-business days are considered high risk days for the unrest. However, if there are any provocations, unrest can still occur on a business day within hours of the purported provocation.


B. PRE-TRAVEL ARRANGEMENT

1. Should I go to Hong Kong now? What about any future trips?

Ans: It is entirely up to you. So far, only Singapore has issued a travel alerts/advisory urging against non-essential travel to Hong Kong.

2. What recourse do I have if I want to change my trip to Hong Kong?

Ans: So far, there is no travel waiver/exception in place for Hong Kong. So the travel provider's standard cancellation policies will apply and most likely you will have to pay a penalty or change fee. However, there are reports of some exceptions have been made. This is straight YMMV situation for now. You will have to discuss your travel providers (airlines, hotel, TAs, etc.) for detail.

3. I heard that HKG has been affected by the unrest. Should I be worry if I plan to transit at HKG only?

Ans: It is entirely up to you.

Since the shut down on August 13, 2019, HKG has significantly tightened its security and heavily restricted its access. The High Court of Hong Kong has imposed an injunction against any non-legitimate use of the airport. In theory, there is no reason why you can't transit at HKG without issue.

However, keep in mind that airport/airline employees do not generally live/stay nearby. Their access may/can be impacted by the unrest, resulting a domino effect that eventually impact flight operations at HKG.

4. Which hotel should I stay?

Ans: It is entirely up to you. Because of how hotels in Hong Kong are positioned, the majority of hotels are nearby hot spots (see below) and have been impacted by the civil unrest. There are only limited options away from the hot spots. Many of those are not easily accessible by public transportation and are usually more expensive in comparison to hotels in similar levels. Use your own judgment to determine which one would work best or the least worst for you.

5. How about travel insurance (including benefits offered by credit cards)?

Ans: Because Hong Kong SAR Government has claimed in several occasions that certain events during the unrest as riots, insurers may exclude coverage as a result. Make sure you review necessary terms and conditions and contact your insurer/benefit administrator first.

6. I would like to go to Macau/Mainland China as well. Do I have anything to concern?

Ans: Yes. Since the civil unrest, both Macau/Mainland China has tightened its border security. It has been reported that many have been subjected to additional questioning. Some have been denied entries, and even detained.


C. IN HONG KONG

1. How can I avoid troubles?

Ans: You can avoid troubles by:
a. Avoid any related discussions in any public settings within the Greater China areas (Hong Kong, Macau, Mainland China, and Taiwan)
b. Avoid going to any hot spots (See below)
c. Avoid taking pictures or video of the protests/confrontations/etc.
d. Avoid wearing any top clothing either in black or white in colour
e. Be vigilant about your surroundings
f. Leave at once when situations are deteriorating, i.e. when you see police personnel in riot gears are present nearby, or there is a massive gathering nearby

Situations can deteriorate in seconds. Please process with extreme cautions and do not wait until the last minutes before out of control.

2. Where are the hot spots?

Ans: Based on historical development of this unrest, the following non-exhaustive points of interests have experienced either major conflicts or damages:
a. Best Mart 360
b. China Travel Service's Entry Permit Service Centres
c. Chinese* banks' facilities - ATMs and/or branches
d. Government buildings named "Government Offices"
e. HSBC Group# banks' facilities - ATMs and/or branches
f. Maxim's operated locations
f. MTR facilities - MTR (including Airport Express) Stations, Light Rail Stations and Bus Stops, Hong Kong West Kowloon (CRH) Station, Malls, etc.
g. Police stations
h. Retail networks of Sino United Publishing (Holdings) Limited, including, but not limited to Chung Hwa Book Company, Joint Publishing and the Commercial Press
i. UGC-funded universities
j. Yoshinoya
k. VTC Member Institutions
l. Immediate vicinity (Within 5-15 minutes of walking distance) of the locations above

In addition, Central Government Complex and Hong Kong Liaison Office have experienced multiple confrontations. When both of the British Consulate General and the U.S. Consulate General are not impacted, they have frequently become demonstration destinations.

Unless necessary, these areas should be avoided as much as practically possible.

* Based on self-identification, including Bank of China (Hong Kong), Bank of Communications, China Construction Bank (Asia), China CITIC Bank, Chiyu Banking Corporation Limited, Chong Hing Bank, CMB Wing Lung Bank, ICBC (Asia), and Nanyang Commercial Bank.

# Hang Seng Bank and the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited

3. How bad is the traffic? How can I get around Hong Kong?

Ans: MTR has been frequently targeted during the civil unrest, which practically paralyzed the entire system. MTR may/can suspended service without prior notices, and this happened in the past. This includes Airport Express service. Please plan carefully if you intend to travel with MTR (including Airport Express). If you intend to use the in-town check-in at Hong Kong/Kowloon Station, please make sure that Airport Express is in service and you are able to reach the station. Please follow Twitter MTR Service Update (@mtrupdate)*.

At this moment, public bus is the most reliable form of public transportation, even routes may be cancelled or diverted. Each of the major bus operators has its own smartphone Apps (KMB/LWB - APP 1933 - KMB/LWB, First Bus/Citybus - CitybusNWFB). Make sure that you have a smartphone with mobile data when you are in Hong Kong. Those Apps can help you navigate within Hong Kong, providing live update to current service status.

* MTR Mobile is MTR's official Mobile App. However, the App has often been criticized for its slow update than this unofficial Twitter.

4. What are the police using?

Ans: During the civil unrest, the Hong Kong Police Force has utilized the following non-exhaustive weaponry:

a. Lethal Weapons
- SIG Sauer P250
- Smith & Wesson Model 10

b. Non-lethal Weapons
- Baton
- Beanbag rounds, delivered by Remington Model 870
- Pepper spray, delivered by canister, water tank spray, pepper-spray projectile (including PepperBall VKS), and/or water cannon
- Rubber bullet rounds, delivered by Remington Model 870 or Federal Riot Gun
- Specialized Crowd Management Vehicle, commonly known as water cannon, delivering special dyed chemical water with tear gas substance
- Sponge rounds, delivered by Pacem Defense ALS Bore Thunder Launcher Adapter
- Tactical light
- Tear Gas, delivered by grenade or Federal Riot Gun

The following are safety data sheet of some of the above weaponry:
- NonLethal Technologies
- Pacem Defense ALS
- PepperBall

Note - the above information is provided for information only.

5. I see from the news that many have protective gears. Should I be prepared as well?

Ans: Preferably not a good idea.

Protective gears may/can be subject to import/export control. You could get serious trouble in found. Also – while unofficially, it seems that the police is focusing those who have protective gears. So having protective gears on can become a case of mistaken identity. Beside, the effect of protective gears are very limited in protection, as they are designed for industrial use only, but not withstanding weaponry.

6. What else can I do?

Ans: a) Make sure you have to your country’s emergency contact (international and local consulate) ready. For other countries which have their consulates in Macau, check with their consulates respectively. For Portugal, please ensure you have the emergency contact of another consulate of an EU member state located in Hong Kong.

Here is a list of contacts of all consulates serving Hong Kong.

b) Because the situation can change very rapidly, especially MTR closures, a smartphone with mobile data is essential when moving about. Having a smartphone App with live alert from a local media will also help you to avoid areas with trouble.

c) Be mindful of your actions. Due to the tightened tensions, an innocent move can be seen as a provocation. Always remember - Safety first.

d) Be extremely mindful about the content of your mobile devices. Any contents related to the unrest may/can possibly cause you troubles, Hong Kong and/or elsewhere.
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Old Nov 17, 2019, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
That’s a good idea and there are some cheap ones but I think you need to cancel before the trip, not after arrival
Look into insurance from Travel Insured.
(Indeed, check with the folks at www.TripInsuranceStore.com - they won't oversell, and they also will talk to you about *your* concerns or circumstances. And IF there is a claim, they can help expedite if necessary.)

About 1-2 years ago, the CFAR coverage added "IFAR", meaning Interrupt For Any Reason, which will cover 75% of any unused covered costs.
But yes, there are still some timing constraints, unfortunately, such that it's something like one can't cancel during the last 2 days before departure (this does NOT apply for "covered" reasons), or for the first 3 days or something like that of the actual trip.
TIS reps can be more specific. Also, in the USA, there are some differences for residents of different states.

Good luck.

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If my dad and I were to change our plans and go to Macau instead, what Bonvoy properties would you guys recommend? As of now, we're still planning on staying in HK, but we're gonna be ready to change the plans until Friday, when we leave.
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I am rapidly seeing my planned visit to HK on Wednesday disintegrate with the events of this weekend. :-(

Am I correct in thinking that I can take a ferry right from HKG to Macau on 11am? I know that there's one at 4pm but it appears that there's also one at 11am. That's sort of my backup plan right now; my other one is stay at the Marriott Sky Harbor at the airport and go to Disneyland on Thursday.
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Originally Posted by JNelson113
I am rapidly seeing my planned visit to HK on Wednesday disintegrate with the events of this weekend. :-(

Am I correct in thinking that I can take a ferry right from HKG to Macau on 11am? I know that there's one at 4pm but it appears that there's also one at 11am. That's sort of my backup plan right now; my other one is stay at the Marriott Sky Harbor at the airport and go to Disneyland on Thursday.
Join the crowd. I've pretty much decided to throw in the towel as well and have cancelled my reservations in Tsim Sha Tsui and my backup reservation on the Island and will spend 3 nights out by the airport. The SkyCity has been booked solid for this coming weekend for awhile now so I'm staying at the Novotel instead. Hope the exec lounge is well stocked for happy hour. Now I'm hoping things don't go completely off the rails because of the election and the whole place (including the airport) descends into chaos.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 9:33 am
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As I said in the other thread, if on arrival you're told there are no road problems around the airport, then don't hesitate to take the B4 bus the short ride to the bridge. Exact change or Octopus, HK$6. (Don't forget the same on your return.)
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Originally Posted by 889
As I said in the other thread, if on arrival you're told there are no road problems around the airport, then don't hesitate to take the B4 bus the short ride to the bridge. Exact change or Octopus, HK$6. (Don't forget the same on your return.)
Forgive me, what is this in reference to? I want to make sure that I'm not missing a bit of your advice.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by kabroui
Now I'm hoping things don't go completely off the rails because of the election and the whole place (including the airport) descends into chaos.
My biggest fear at this point. It's one of the reasons that I'm leaning toward going to Macau; I think that I could fly out of there if things in HKG get too nuts.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 10:28 am
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“Am I correct in thinking that I can take a ferry right from HKG to Macau on 11am? I know that there's one at 4pm but it appears that there's also one at 11am.“

I don't know what time you're arriving, but if there's a long wait for the 11am ferry, or if you miss it and are faced with a long wait for the 4pm ferry, or if you'd just like to see the bridge, then the bridge is a fine option so long as there're no problems around the airport. Cheaper, too! No guaranty, but there haven't been problems around the airport for weeks, and you're arriving very shortly.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by 889
“Am I correct in thinking that I can take a ferry right from HKG to Macau on 11am? I know that there's one at 4pm but it appears that there's also one at 11am.“

I don't know what time you're arriving, but if there's a long wait for the 11am ferry, or if you miss it and are faced with a long wait for the 4pm ferry, or if you'd just like to see the bridge, then the bridge is a fine option so long as there're no problems around the airport. Cheaper, too! No guaranty, but there haven't been problems around the airport for weeks, and you're arriving very shortly.
Thank you! I'm arriving at 6am. I'd love to get going sooner, but I'm nervous about going into Central and leaving from there. The bridge sounds great. Thanks again!
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 10:59 am
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At 6am, the bridge sounds like the obvious choice.

(Note the B4 fare has gone up to HK$7.50.)
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What do you think about NYE this year?

We have a HKG vacation booked for Dec 29 thru Jan 2.

We booked way back at the start of the year before all of the protests and craziness, and we primarily booked to shop and enjoy NYE in the city.

I realize it's impossible to know how things will go over the next month, but does anyone have any thoughts on what NYE might be like? Will it be "business as usual" with the normal fireworks and atmosphere or is it more likely to be more tempered and stripped back this year?

Grateful for any advice. We're not sure if we should head to Macau instead.
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I don't think you will know about the fireworks until closer to NYE. They did cancel the October 1 fireworks that were scheduled for National Day.
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Pardon my lack of knowledge on this. First time ever heading to Hong Kong, or Asia for that matter... Had a trip planned coming up this Thursday. Originally planned on staying at the Conrad Hong Kong for 3 Nights (Sat-Tuesday). Taking the advice of many posts I'm heavily considering switching over to Macau. I've been trying to find transit options to Macau for the past couple hours but struggling to find the best option/understand everything associated with getting there.

I land Friday evening around 5:30PM. Original plan was to stay at Disney for 1 night, enjoy the park Saturday day, then transfer over to the Conrad that evening.
  • Now switching from that plan, is there a way from me to get from Lantau to Macau if I stayed at Disney for 1 day? Or do I need to get over to Central anyway? Further, could someone point me to where the scheduled times are for departure?
  • My wife holds a Chilean Passport, myself American. It appears that if we are there for less than 30 days no visa is required. Is that correct
Thank you anyone who can assist. Apologies again, not that well versed in this situations! I planned this trip for the past 6 months and it's all falling apart last minute, safety trumps all though.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by mendezka
Pardon my lack of knowledge on this. First time ever heading to Hong Kong, or Asia for that matter... Had a trip planned coming up this Thursday. Originally planned on staying at the Conrad Hong Kong for 3 Nights (Sat-Tuesday). Taking the advice of many posts I'm heavily considering switching over to Macau. I've been trying to find transit options to Macau for the past couple hours but struggling to find the best option/understand everything associated with getting there.

I land Friday evening around 5:30PM. Original plan was to stay at Disney for 1 night, enjoy the park Saturday day, then transfer over to the Conrad that evening.
  • Now switching from that plan, is there a way from me to get from Lantau to Macau if I stayed at Disney for 1 day? Or do I need to get over to Central anyway? Further, could someone point me to where the scheduled times are for departure?
  • My wife holds a Chilean Passport, myself American. It appears that if we are there for less than 30 days no visa is required. Is that correct
Thank you anyone who can assist. Apologies again, not that well versed in this situations! I planned this trip for the past 6 months and it's all falling apart last minute, safety trumps all though.
You can get to Macau from Lantau/Disneyland from the HZM bridge.
https://www.hongkongdisneyland.com/h...ng-disneyland/
You can also return directly to HKG on the ferry from Macau with a valid boarding pass.

I do not know about Chilean passports, but Americans can go to Macau without a visa for less than 30 days.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 4:40 pm
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The situation doesn't look like it's going to be resolved any time soon... I would probably be looking for something a bit more "assured".
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