Arrivals list printout left in view on desk (should I be as bothered as I am?)
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Arrivals list printout left in view on desk (should I be as bothered as I am?)
Trying to decide if (how) annoyed I should be:
Arrived at a hotel in Illinois early and there wasn't an FDA behind the desk but there was, on top of the desk and in plain view to the public, a print out of the arrivals list -- including guest names, reservation source (central reservations, direct, etc.), amount due/paid and notes ("COMP UG TO STUDIO PER (Initials)" on one).
FDA came to the desk went through the routine -- couldn't get me into a room because none were available (perfectly understandable given I was way before check-in time) but to come back in about 90 minutes... Came back and the arrivals list was in the same place. The FDA also read out my room number out loud. (They did verify my photo ID so at least there's some awareness)
I'm not impressed by the level of privacy awareness but am I unreasonable to be bothered by these things? I don't think I'm worth anyone finding me and murdering me but it still kind of creeps me out that it wasn't protected at all -- if I had a stalker or wanted to cause trouble ("Hi, Ms. Jones, this is the front desk calling, there's a problem with your Expedia reservation...can you confirm your credit card number for the $123.45 charge? And the billing zip code?") that would be a treasure trove of info in the wrong hands.
Arrived at a hotel in Illinois early and there wasn't an FDA behind the desk but there was, on top of the desk and in plain view to the public, a print out of the arrivals list -- including guest names, reservation source (central reservations, direct, etc.), amount due/paid and notes ("COMP UG TO STUDIO PER (Initials)" on one).
FDA came to the desk went through the routine -- couldn't get me into a room because none were available (perfectly understandable given I was way before check-in time) but to come back in about 90 minutes... Came back and the arrivals list was in the same place. The FDA also read out my room number out loud. (They did verify my photo ID so at least there's some awareness)
I'm not impressed by the level of privacy awareness but am I unreasonable to be bothered by these things? I don't think I'm worth anyone finding me and murdering me but it still kind of creeps me out that it wasn't protected at all -- if I had a stalker or wanted to cause trouble ("Hi, Ms. Jones, this is the front desk calling, there's a problem with your Expedia reservation...can you confirm your credit card number for the $123.45 charge? And the billing zip code?") that would be a treasure trove of info in the wrong hands.
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I probably would have very nicely mentioned to the FDA that it wasn't a good idea to have that out for all to see and then if they didn't do anything or were not nice in their reply contacted the GM later that day.
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The only one time I've noticed this, I was on top of that list . I was greeted by name that day at the restaurant, this normally never happens to me.
I think you may be worried more about how much google etc. know about you without anyone noticing and how much of that information is shared with certain authorities..
I think you may be worried more about how much google etc. know about you without anyone noticing and how much of that information is shared with certain authorities..
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Front desk training seems to be non-existent. When I worked at Hyatt decades back, we were trained to first greet the guest, SHOW the guest the rate and have them initial it (but NOT say it out loud), mention to them the type of room booked, confirm the checkout date, and get credit for the stay. We only pointed to the room number on the little cardboard passport that Hyatt used to give at checkin. At checkout we presented them with a copy of the folio for them to review, asked them how they would be paying (in those days, some people preferred to switch to cash at checkout), and thanked them for choosing Hyatt. There were other parts to the spiel, but those were the basics.
Today, the sullen agent finally walks up from the back, looks blankly in your direction and says, "Name?" "Sign here." "One key or two?" (That's optional). Expression never changes. Checkout is, "You're all set." No review of the bill, no "How was your stay?", nothing.
So, I'd say you were lucky you weren't greeted with a sign above the arrivals list that said, "Find your name and room number below, and fish your key out of the basket at the end of the desk."
Today, the sullen agent finally walks up from the back, looks blankly in your direction and says, "Name?" "Sign here." "One key or two?" (That's optional). Expression never changes. Checkout is, "You're all set." No review of the bill, no "How was your stay?", nothing.
So, I'd say you were lucky you weren't greeted with a sign above the arrivals list that said, "Find your name and room number below, and fish your key out of the basket at the end of the desk."
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Not sure how many of the OP’s are women vs men. But as a woman, I’d be pissed and worried. I would absolutely mention it. I don’t want anyone to know I’m a single woman in a room.
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With that level of concern about privacy and security demonstrated by the front desk, I wouldn’t be shocked if you could walk up later and ask for a new keycard (for a room that you don’t actually occupy, but know the occupant’s name) without having to show ID.
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I'd actually be more interested in the other info on the sheet besides the personal stuff, like how many rooms were booked through what channels, what the status mix of the guests was, what my rate was compared to others, and how many upgrades were showing. What Hilton brand was this?
Calling out the room number is a big no-no. I can't remember the last time that happened to me.
Calling out the room number is a big no-no. I can't remember the last time that happened to me.
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I'd actually be more interested in the other info on the sheet besides the personal stuff, like how many rooms were booked through what channels, what the status mix of the guests was, what my rate was compared to others, and how many upgrades were showing. What Hilton brand was this?
Calling out the room number is a big no-no. I can't remember the last time that happened to me.
Calling out the room number is a big no-no. I can't remember the last time that happened to me.
Last time I had the name said out loud was ~2018 and it was a shithole no-brand airport hotel in Beijing (who also had the room number written in sharpie on the keycard and then covered with tape so it couldn't be rubbed off "accidentally") but screaming my room number to the lobby was the least of that hotel's security issues (it is the only hotel I've ever piled my luggage and loose room furniture against the door before I went to sleep... partially because the door had no deadbolt/privacy chain, etc.)
The time before that (2010?) at a Hilton the FOM overheard the new FDA's faux paus and immediately offered a different room while apologizing and explaining to the FDA why that isn't done.
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I'd actually be more interested in the other info on the sheet besides the personal stuff, like how many rooms were booked through what channels, what the status mix of the guests was, what my rate was compared to others, and how many upgrades were showing. What Hilton brand was this?
Front desk training seems to be non-existent. When I worked at Hyatt decades back, we were trained to first greet the guest, SHOW the guest the rate and have them initial it (but NOT say it out loud), mention to them the type of room booked, confirm the checkout date, and get credit for the stay. We only pointed to the room number on the little cardboard passport that Hyatt used to give at checkin. At checkout we presented them with a copy of the folio for them to review, asked them how they would be paying (in those days, some people preferred to switch to cash at checkout), and thanked them for choosing Hyatt. There were other parts to the spiel, but those were the basics.
The rest of what you said obviously doesn't apply due to the push from the top down to make the entire check in/out process as fast, paperless, digital and non-human as possible.
Trying to decide if (how) annoyed I should be:
Arrived at a hotel in Illinois early and there wasn't an FDA behind the desk but there was, on top of the desk and in plain view to the public, a print out of the arrivals list -- including guest names, reservation source (central reservations, direct, etc.), amount due/paid and notes ("COMP UG TO STUDIO PER (Initials)" on one).
FDA came to the desk went through the routine -- couldn't get me into a room because none were available (perfectly understandable given I was way before check-in time) but to come back in about 90 minutes... Came back and the arrivals list was in the same place. The FDA also read out my room number out loud. (They did verify my photo ID so at least there's some awareness)
I'm not impressed by the level of privacy awareness but am I unreasonable to be bothered by these things? I don't think I'm worth anyone finding me and murdering me but it still kind of creeps me out that it wasn't protected at all -- if I had a stalker or wanted to cause trouble ("Hi, Ms. Jones, this is the front desk calling, there's a problem with your Expedia reservation...can you confirm your credit card number for the $123.45 charge? And the billing zip code?") that would be a treasure trove of info in the wrong hands.
Arrived at a hotel in Illinois early and there wasn't an FDA behind the desk but there was, on top of the desk and in plain view to the public, a print out of the arrivals list -- including guest names, reservation source (central reservations, direct, etc.), amount due/paid and notes ("COMP UG TO STUDIO PER (Initials)" on one).
FDA came to the desk went through the routine -- couldn't get me into a room because none were available (perfectly understandable given I was way before check-in time) but to come back in about 90 minutes... Came back and the arrivals list was in the same place. The FDA also read out my room number out loud. (They did verify my photo ID so at least there's some awareness)
I'm not impressed by the level of privacy awareness but am I unreasonable to be bothered by these things? I don't think I'm worth anyone finding me and murdering me but it still kind of creeps me out that it wasn't protected at all -- if I had a stalker or wanted to cause trouble ("Hi, Ms. Jones, this is the front desk calling, there's a problem with your Expedia reservation...can you confirm your credit card number for the $123.45 charge? And the billing zip code?") that would be a treasure trove of info in the wrong hands.