Adam1222

Imagine if there were multiple overdoses on a cruise and news media didn't report it, and that cruise kept running year after year. That would make me pretty angry.

My loved ones worry about me when I go bungee jumping; hard for me to empathize that people worried when they heard there were deaths.

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Adam1222

The only stories I saw made clear it was unconfirmed. And the fact that it was just multiple people rushed to the hospital for drug related issues suggests maybe Atlantis bears the blame, not media.

carlosdca

Why would you blame Atlantis of anything?
What were they supposed to do to avoid this?

The responsibility lies on the person who overdosed himself out of irresponsibility, ignorance, etc.

Adam1222

Sometimes there can be more than one responsible party. Atlantis cruises have been known as havens for drug use for years. If Atlantis wanted to change that, it could. Instead, it relies on that to motivate many of its guests.

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TominLazybrook

Here's my view. I've been on Atlantis Cruises (3 cruises and 1 land event). First of all, they're fun, if formulaic and expensive. I don't go on them anymore for a variety of reasons, but the heavy drug use was one of the reasons. Regarding the drugs. It depends on the particular event but there were a LOT of drugs on the cruises I took out of Southern California. Much more so than at an Gay nightclub. I never went on the one out of Fort Lauderdale (mainly because that cruise has a reputation as being super druggy - that was the cruise where the OD death (perhaps deaths) happened last week. I simply don't find it credible that the operators aren't aware of it. On the cruise I took out of San Juan and the land event in Mexico, it wasn't so 'in your face'.

If you do want to do an Atlantis/RSVP event, here's how I'd review it.

1) If you want to be in a 7 day circuit party where you will likely see lots of narcotics, then the Fort Lauderdale and Southern California cruises are for you.
2) If not and you just want a beachy cruise where the drugs appeared to be relatively less of an issue, the San Juan, land based events, or tourism based cruises are better choices.

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Adam1222

There have been several reports. For example,

http://www.newnownext.com/another-passenger-on-gay-cruise-where-joel-taylor-died-reportedly-rushed-to-hospital/01/2018/

Due to privacy laws, it's not like hospitals can release the records to confirm it. But if you want to blame the media, go ahead.

For another perspective: http://www.towleroad.com/2018/01/atlantis-cruises/

Look, if you want to have a great time sober on an Atlantis cruise, more power to you. But don't blame the media for making the cruises appear to center around drugs, sex, and parties. Atlantis has cultivated that image over the years, intentionally.

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Adam1222

Yes, I did read it. No, I'm not "making assumptions." Unfortunately, the medical conditions of individual Atlantis passengers doesn't lead itself to easily provable "facts" and hard-hitting investigative journalism.

The NNN article perhaps is not the most clearly written. I read the "passenger aboard the Atlantis cruise where Storm Chasers star Joel Taylor died was rushed to the hospital with what’s being called a 'chemical incident'" as unrelated to the pneumonia suffered by Mr. Caber, referred to later in the story with an "also" (PS- probably drug-related too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5353841/) . To me, one dead plus one person rushed to hospital with "chemical incident" = multiple overdoses. Again, there is no database you can check or public record. I think LGBT media has an obligation to report these stories based on credible information.

There's also this first-person account from someone on the ship. An ER Doctor and Passenger on Joel Taylor's Atlantis Cruise Sounds Off on Drug Use and Responsibility - Towleroad

I'm not spending any more time pulling every article on this. I don't understand why you're pushing back so hard on the notion that there's a lot of drug use on Atlantis cruises. No one said everyone is an addict on the cruise. The discussion of 3 deaths on the cruise seems to be someone misspeaking, because there have been three *confirmed, documented* substance-related deaths on Atlantis cruises in the past few years.

If your family knows you are sober, they have nothing to worry about when "the media" reports on an overdose on the next cruise.

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carlosdca

This statement is exaggerated and inaccurate.
Are there people that do drugs on the Atlantis cruises? Sure, on some of their itineraries.
But how do you qualify the cruises are "havens for drug users"? Atlantis does not particularly encourage or facilitate the use of drugs in anyway.

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Originally Posted by Adam1222

If Atlantis wanted to change that, it could.

Can you explain exactly how?
Back in my clubbing days, I remember certain events where I was thoroughly searched at the door and not even chewing gum or old trash in my pocket (old gas station receipts in my pocket f.e.) could make it through the door.
Nonetheless, people got away with bringing drugs in and whoever wanted to get high got high.

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Originally Posted by Adam1222

Instead, it relies on that to motivate many of its guests.

Again, how? Where does Atlantis say...hey come to our cruises, you will be able to overdose on G and nobody will know. Not even in any subliminal way do they imply that.
And it is not even something the actual patrons/cruisers will say or promote the cruises with by word of mouth.

I've been to 5 (if not 6) Atlantis cruises. And what my friends and I come home with is a great all-male vacation experience where most of the fun comes from socializing and meeting other men. This amidst either a sunny skies/party oriented vacation (Mexico/Caribbean) or a more calm destination oriented one (Europe/Asia cruises).

GoldenItalianBoy

Hi guys, I read on the Atlantis website that, if you are travelling as a "solo traveller", you can choose a shared cabin with someone (unknown) selected by Atlantis.
Did you ever try this kind of shared accomodation?
Any risks?
There is a nice cruise departing from Rome and I was thinking about that....

TominLazybrook

I know of people who have done that before. The last cruise I went on, our next door cabin was a shared cabin. They got along fine. They will put you together with someone. It can work out. But you might be with someone who is an early riser or someone who is a late night owl. You shouldn't assume that the match will be someone that your schedule meshes with. If you are prepared for that, then it might not be a problem.

But remember, there's a lot of tribalism on the cruises. Basically these events generally tend to have a lot of people travelling with a group of friends, who then hang out with each other pretty much all the time. That's not everyone and there are plenty of people who are more solos.

If you've never done an Atlantis cruise before, you probably can have a lot of fun. But the key is to manage expectations. I had fun on the cruises I went on.

The European cruises tend to be less druggy than the Ft Lauderdale cruises.